ABs that arrived ‘fully formed’
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@act-crusader said in ABs that arrived ‘fully formed’:
Slight tangent, Buck gave an interview on Melbourne sport radio (SEN, basically an Aussie Rules dominated radio station) yesterday and it was brilliant just to hear the man on Aussie radio. Buck mentioned him and Joe being the older guys in the team at one point.
Below is a link to it.
Thank you for posting that link ACT Crusader, just listened to it. Amusing on so many subjects, very serious in his explanation of your haka. It was clear his time in the NZ Navy had much to do with his sense of discipline and endeavor.
I have heard the great man interviewed previously - he is an articulate and interesting speaker with great pride in the experiences the All Blacks gave him and a clear vision of the importance of that role in New Zealand culture.
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@rotated said in ABs that arrived ‘fully formed’:
With Aaron Smith it was similar to Whitelock and Read where it was clear at every level he would make it to the next very quickly.
Plus apart from his pass and speed to the ball, he seems to go on learning and developing.
I seem to notice his kicking game and him taking more of the decision-making load off first-five the last few years. He could well be the hardest current AB to replace. -
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@nepia said in ABs that arrived ‘fully formed’:
@rotated said in ABs that arrived ‘fully formed’:
With Aaron Smith it was similar to Whitelock and Read where it was clear at every level he would make it to the next very quickly.
Not to the Canes apparently.
I remember when we first came south and he was a nice steel but I don’t remember much AB chat, no more than other school boy prospects, took him a couple of seasons to fully displace cowen!
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@l_n_p said in ABs that arrived ‘fully formed’:
@rotated said in ABs that arrived ‘fully formed’:
With Aaron Smith it was similar to Whitelock and Read where it was clear at every level he would make it to the next very quickly.
Plus apart from his pass and speed to the ball, he seems to go on learning and developing.
I seem to notice his kicking game and him taking more of the decision-making load off first-five the last few years. He could well be the hardest current AB to replace.He wasn't good enough for the blues.
Shakes head 🥺
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@nzzp said in ABs that arrived ‘fully formed’:
@l_n_p said in ABs that arrived ‘fully formed’:
@rotated said in ABs that arrived ‘fully formed’:
With Aaron Smith it was similar to Whitelock and Read where it was clear at every level he would make it to the next very quickly.
Plus apart from his pass and speed to the ball, he seems to go on learning and developing.
I seem to notice his kicking game and him taking more of the decision-making load off first-five the last few years. He could well be the hardest current AB to replace.He wasn't good enough for the blues.
Shakes head 🥺
The Blues wanted him. He was offered a WTG contract but they had no space in the full squad. He went to the Highlanders because they could offer a full contract
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@nzzp said in ABs that arrived ‘fully formed’:
@l_n_p said in ABs that arrived ‘fully formed’:
@rotated said in ABs that arrived ‘fully formed’:
With Aaron Smith it was similar to Whitelock and Read where it was clear at every level he would make it to the next very quickly.
Plus apart from his pass and speed to the ball, he seems to go on learning and developing.
I seem to notice his kicking game and him taking more of the decision-making load off first-five the last few years. He could well be the hardest current AB to replace.He wasn't good enough for the blues.
Shakes head 🥺
Just guessing but I wonder if because his play style was seen as too different to his predecessors in his early days? I'm thinking Weepu, Kelleher, Cowan, Marshall etc. All strong around the ruck and with the best will in the world, he's not.
I don't get it either but hindsight is easy ...
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You also don’t how some of these guys would have ended up if they’d done thing differently, not that highlanders are always just the best option or anything but it might have been just what he needed to flourish, the right environment, if he’d gone somewhere else we might be talking about him like the likes of Sam Harding
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@rotated said in ABs that arrived ‘fully formed’:
With Aaron Smith it was similar to Whitelock and Read where it was clear at every level he would make it to the next very quickly.
And yet he was on the bench behind Grayson Hart for the NZ u20 team that won the final in 2008
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@majorrage said in ABs that arrived ‘fully formed’:
Not NZ but Michael Hooper was born ready.
Disagree. He spent a lot of his early career imitating Adam Thomson- getting through plenty of work, but not being physically effective. I think he grew into Test rugby with time
but it's a proper thread diversion in an AB thread...
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@bobily2 said in ABs that arrived ‘fully formed’:
@rotated said in ABs that arrived ‘fully formed’:
With Aaron Smith it was similar to Whitelock and Read where it was clear at every level he would make it to the next very quickly.
And yet he was on the bench behind Grayson Hart for the NZ u20 team that won the final in 2008
It's just a patently false statement.
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@mick-gold-coast-qld said in ABs that arrived ‘fully formed’:
and at the Hurricanes Ma'a Nonu had hands like feet at the start!
I always thought hat early on Ma'a had pretty much all the skills but lacked the nous on how to use them. Boy, did he hone those skills & learn how to use them
The bloke who I saw arrive "fully formed" was Sonny Bill Williams¹. I had not seen him play League, I had read the odd article declaring he was no good and I made a point of watching his first appearance for Canterbury in the NPC. What I witnessed was the most exciting natural, complete talent I had seen since watching a young David Campese playing club at Manuka Oval in about 1980.
He had big issues against quality opposition early on. He was pulled at half-time against Wales in 2010 after Jamie Roberts exposed his lack of experience and skills. Great bloke and a credit to the team who could produce a miracle play, but equally do something incredibly dumb.
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I suppose some would argue that George Bridge arrived fully-formed in the sense he just couldn't get any better....
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Conrad Smith. He looked the real deal at 13 from his debut in '04 against Italy and nailed down the 13 jersey for 10 years once Tana the Captain retired.
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@bones said in ABs that arrived ‘fully formed’:
Did someone say Aaron Smith was fully formed? He was pretty damn average when he first hit super rugby and not even half the player he's become when first selected for the ABs. He was just an ok halfback.
Really? My memory may be off, but I seem to recall him getting picked and becoming the first choice halfback within half a season. He always had a very fast pass.
He might not have been as good as he is now, but he didn't have any period of apprenticeship (from what I can recall anyway).
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@bones said in ABs that arrived ‘fully formed’:
Did someone say Aaron Smith was fully formed? He was pretty damn average when he first hit super rugby and not even half the player he's become when first selected for the ABs. He was just an ok halfback.
Are you sure you're not thinking of his early performances for Manawatu? My memory could be wrong, but didn't he make the All Blacks in his first year of Super Rugby? And like Damo said, he was first-choice not longer after that/
I remember him maybe being a bit helter-skelter, but his pass was just so quick that he was a definite AB selection that year.
Edit: Turns out I am wrong. He was with the Highlanders in 2011.
