NZ v Australia Test #1
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<p>I don't think Anderson and Bracewell have been major players in that success. </p>
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<p>Their selections deserve to be questioned.</p>
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<p>And although Craig has won a couple of tests for us in the 4th innings... he's generally been shit</p> -
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<p>Sure I would pick Anderson because he bowls. If I wasn't going to pick a spinner and was picking 4 quicks then I wouldn't pick Anderson because I don't see the advantage of a 5th quick. I would have picked Brownlie to bat 5 over Nicholls. I also would have picked Brownlie to open ahead of Guptill. I think Brownlie is significantly better with the bat than Anderson. However, given Hesson thinks Nicholls is better than Brownlie to bat 5 I can see why they wouldn't go for Brownlie at 6.</p>
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<p>Also how do you pick a team without looking at their domestic records?</p>
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<p>Well in some cases in NZ guys are picked having played next to no first class cricket, Dan Vettori anyone ?</p>
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<p>of course you pick guys based on it but it shouldn't be the be and end all, plenty of guys have outstanding first class records that have never stepped up a level for whatever reason.</p> -
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<p>Anderson is definitely a better batsman than Craig. Craig has relied on not outs for his average. Anderson can bat at number 6, he just has to contribute with the ball. He is not one of the 6 best batsmen in New Zealand.</p>
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<p>To be fair often hes left not out because the muppets at the other end throw it away (as the case in Wellington)</p>
<p>At this stage he seems a better and certainly a more effective batsman than as a spin bowler. Is there a case for him to do a Richardson ?? Not saying he will become a 45 averaging Test opener but you cant fault his application with the bat.</p>
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Didn't Richardson vanish for a few years while he made the switch? Can't see Craig willing to go back to club to start again and not sure test or first class is the place to learn to open.
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<p>Boom there it is.<br><br>
First loss at home in just under 4 years,4 years,and people are suggesting changing things willy nilly. A stand out feature of our shit years, so yeah lets just bring any old Brownlie or Munro in and discard the players that have given us success.<br><br>
That'll work</p>
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<p>I'm pretty sure the main discussion is if Anderson should stay at 6 or be replaced by a specialist batsman?</p>
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<p>Anderson hasn't actually played that much in the last 3 years, he's hardly been the core of our team. </p> -
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<p>Boom there it is.<br><br>
First loss at home in just under 4 years,4 years,and people are suggesting changing things willy nilly. A stand out feature of our shit years, so yeah lets just bring any old Brownlie or Munro in and discard the players that have given us success.<br><br>
That'll work</p>
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<p>Um. Anderson has obviously not been a key part of our success at test match level. He has only played 12 tests over the past 4 years. Neesham is our incumbent test number 6 and he would be playing there if he was fit.</p> -
<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/76975366/black-caps-seamer-doug-bracewell-ruled-out-of-second-test-with-shoulder-injury'>http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/76975366/black-caps-seamer-doug-bracewell-ruled-out-of-second-test-with-shoulder-injury</a></p>
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<p>Well I think his place was far from assured so I guess they need to decide whether they want the explosiveness of Henry or the workman service of Wagner.</p>
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<p>If they go for Sodhi in some kind of lame "spin twin attack" I will stop supporting the Black Caps right now.</p> -
<p>Henry every single day of the week and twice on Tuesdays.</p>
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<p>Henry every single day of the week and twice on Tuesdays.</p>
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<p>He strikes me as a genuine wicket taker which is always quite handy in a pace bowler</p> -
<p>And kind of important in a form of cricket that requires <u>20</u> wickets to win.</p>
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<p>And kind of important in a form of cricket that requires <u>20</u> wickets to win.</p>
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<p>I've seen Neesham play live once, in Brisbane. He was probably the worst player on the field. I don't think he's the answer to anything</p>
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<p>I've seen Neesham play live once, in Brisbane. <strong>He was probably the worst player on the field</strong>. I don't think he's the answer to anything</p>
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<p>20 overs, 1 for about 115 (and his one was Warner when he was on 163 and throwing the bat at everything). And i think he scored a duck and less than 5. For your all-rounder batting at 6, that's a fucking horrible game</p>
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<p>20 overs, 1 for about 115 (and his one was Warner when he was on 163 and throwing the bat at everything). And i think he scored a duck and less than 5. For your all-rounder batting at 6, that's a fucking horrible game</p>
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<p>Agreed, shithouse game but people have them from time to time. He still has a decent record but he's not the messiah some say he is.</p>
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<p>Aw and NTA, fuck off, you don't even like your teams all rounder let alone ours.</p> -
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<p>To be fair often hes left not out because the muppets at the other end throw it away (as the case in Wellington)</p>
<p>At this stage he seems a better and certainly a more effective batsman than as a spin bowler. Is there a case for him to do a Richardson ?? Not saying he will become a 45 averaging Test opener but you cant fault his application with the bat.</p>
<p>Big case to push him up the order.</p>
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<p>Absolutely not.</p>
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<p>Craig’s current career average does flatter him. In his debut series he benefited from so many drops by the Windies fielders it was uncanny, he has had a lot of not outs in his career (that’s not a criticism, but his teammates are Southee and Boult - not plug an end guys at the other end). His slight backing away v pace in Australia is not the sign of a compact future bat to me. I think even 7 is too high, I like him at 8 – but he is a breezy batsman, who knows his game well enough to know how to capitalise on his scoring areas while his time lasts.</p>
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<p>The other reason is that he has already done a reverse Richardson. He was youth opening batsman who couldn’t make the grade & has turned himself into a spinner. He’s only been a spinner since his early 20s, he an absolute pup in spin bowling years. The reason he is so inconsistent & leak runs yet gets interest from the selectors is because they can see a bowler with the raw materials to succeed - who will improve his consistency as he becomes more experienced. I could actually see Craig operating on a Hamish Rutherford level if he worked on it – I see some similarities in their batting (that’s a compliment for a number 8 but not for a prospective opener), but if Ruds jr ever plays another test (without an incredible overhaul) then I will eat my keyboard.</p>
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<p>The other part that annoys me about posts like this is that there are 60 odd professional batsmen on the domestic scene. 12 of them openers. Some of them with the techniques and potential to make a fist of elevation to test level. Cricket does occur off the TV screens. Take note of Ben Smith. Plus of course Dean Brownlie. Admittedly some of them have no chance (especially openers). </p> -
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<p>Agreed, shithouse game but people have them from time to time. He still has a decent record but he's not the messiah some say he is.</p>
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<p>Aw and NTA, fuck off, you don't even like your teams all rounder let alone ours.</p>
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<p>My opinion stands, based on recent results.</p>
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<p>In all honesty in terms of raw ability you look at Marsh, Neesham and Anderson and wonder why they aren't performing like Stokes. The potential is there.....</p>
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<p>Geez Virg, got a retort to IR after that ? Excellent post, I think he follows the domestic game a bit more closely than you or I do. As All Black fans we have Super Rugby to pick apart the relative merits of any potential player, cricket doesn't give us this luxury unless you want to go down and be bored shitless watching a first class game live. Interesting point regarding Craigs technique, I guess that's why Bracewell bats ahead of him despite scoring fuck all as he "looks" like more of a batsman.</p>
