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    <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Siam" data-cid="558991" data-time="1455593965">
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    <p>Boom there it is.<br><br>
    First loss at home in just under 4 years,4 years,and people are suggesting changing things willy nilly. A stand out feature of our shit years, so yeah lets just bring any old Brownlie or Munro in and discard the players that have given us success.<br><br>
    That'll work</p>
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    <p>Um. Anderson has obviously not been a key part of our success at test match level. He has only played 12 tests over the past 4 years. Neesham is our incumbent test number 6 and he would be playing there if he was fit.</p>

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    <p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/76975366/black-caps-seamer-doug-bracewell-ruled-out-of-second-test-with-shoulder-injury'>http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/76975366/black-caps-seamer-doug-bracewell-ruled-out-of-second-test-with-shoulder-injury</a></p>
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    <p>Well I think his place was far from assured so I guess they need to decide whether they want the explosiveness of Henry or the workman service of Wagner.</p>
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    <p>If they go for Sodhi in some kind of lame "spin twin attack" I will stop supporting the Black Caps right now.</p>

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    <p>Henry every single day of the week and twice on Tuesdays.</p>

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    <p>Henry every single day of the week and twice on Tuesdays.</p>
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    <p>He strikes me as a genuine wicket taker which is always quite handy in a pace bowler</p>

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    <p>And kind of important in a form of cricket that requires <u>20</u> wickets to win.</p>

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    <p>Or an amazingly stupid captain who declares his innings too early.</p>

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    <p>And kind of important in a form of cricket that requires <u>20</u> wickets to win.</p>
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    <p> </p>
    <p>We know our cricket. We should host our own show.</p>

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    <p>I've seen Neesham play live once, in Brisbane. He was probably the worst player on the field. I don't think he's the answer to anything</p>

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    <p>I've seen Neesham play live once, in Brisbane. <strong>He was probably the worst player on the field</strong>. I don't think he's the answer to anything</p>
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    <p> </p>
    <p>At what exactly ? elaborate.</p>

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    <p>Cricket?</p>

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    <p>20 overs, 1 for about 115 (and his one was Warner when he was on 163 and throwing the bat at everything). And i think he scored a duck and less than 5. For your all-rounder batting at 6, that's a fucking horrible game</p>

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    <p>20 overs, 1 for about 115 (and his one was Warner when he was on 163 and throwing the bat at everything). And i think he scored a duck and less than 5. For your all-rounder batting at 6, that's a fucking horrible game</p>
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    <p>Agreed, shithouse game but people have them from time to time. He still has a decent record but he's not the messiah some say he is.</p>
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    <p>Aw and NTA, fuck off, you don't even like your teams all rounder let alone ours.</p>

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    <p>To be fair often hes left not out because the muppets at the other end throw it away (as the case in Wellington)</p>
    <p>At this stage he seems a better and certainly a more effective batsman than as a spin bowler. Is there a case for him to do a Richardson ?? Not saying he will become a 45 averaging Test opener but you cant fault his application with the bat.</p>
    <p>Big case to push him up the order.</p>
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    <p>Absolutely not.</p>
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    <p>Craig’s current career average does flatter him. In his debut series he benefited from so many drops by the Windies fielders it was uncanny, he has had a lot of not outs in his career (that’s not a criticism, but his teammates are Southee and Boult - not plug an end guys at the other end). His slight backing away v pace in Australia is not the sign of a compact future bat to me. I think even 7 is too high, I like him at 8 – but he is a breezy batsman, who knows his game well enough to know how to capitalise on his scoring areas while his time lasts.</p>
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    <p>The other reason is that he has already done a reverse Richardson. He was youth opening batsman who couldn’t make the grade &  has turned himself into a spinner. He’s only been a spinner since his early 20s, he an absolute pup in spin bowling years. The reason he is so inconsistent & leak runs yet gets interest from the selectors is because they can see a bowler with the raw materials to succeed  - who will improve his consistency as he becomes more experienced. I could actually see Craig operating on a Hamish Rutherford level if he worked on it – I see some similarities in their batting (that’s a compliment for a number 8 but not for a prospective opener), but if Ruds jr ever plays another test (without an incredible overhaul)  then I will eat my keyboard.</p>
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    <p>The other part that annoys me about posts like this is that there are 60 odd professional batsmen on the domestic scene. 12 of them openers. Some of them with the techniques and potential to make a fist of elevation to test level. Cricket does occur off the TV screens. Take note of Ben Smith. Plus of course Dean Brownlie. Admittedly some of them have no chance (especially openers). </p>

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    <p>Agreed, shithouse game but people have them from time to time. He still has a decent record but he's not the messiah some say he is.</p>
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    <p>Aw and NTA, fuck off, you don't even like your teams all rounder let alone ours.</p>
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    <p> </p>
    <p>My opinion stands, based on recent results.</p>

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    <p>My opinion stands, based on recent results.</p>
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    <p>In all honesty in terms of raw ability you look at Marsh, Neesham and Anderson and wonder why they aren't performing like Stokes. The potential is there.....</p>
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    <p>Geez Virg, got a retort to IR after that ? Excellent post, I think he follows the domestic game a bit more closely than you or I do. As All Black fans we have Super Rugby to pick apart the relative merits of any potential player, cricket doesn't give us this luxury unless you want to go down and be bored shitless watching a first class game live. Interesting point regarding Craigs technique, I guess that's why Bracewell bats ahead of him despite scoring fuck all as he "looks" like more of a batsman.</p>

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    <p>I think Wagner would provide more balance to the New Zealand attack.</p>
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    <p>Trent Boult average when Wagner plays: 73 wickets @25.01</p>
    <p>Trent Boult average when Wagner doesn't play: 71 wickets @32.27</p>
    <p>Tim Southee average when Wagner plays: 73 wickets @ 22.89</p>
    <p>Tim Southee average when Wagner doesn't play: 92 wickets @ 38.54</p>
    <p>Tim Southee's average when Wagner doesn't play (last 4 years) 52 wickets @ 35.27</p>
    <p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=wickets;player_involve=49219;search_player=N+Wagner;team=5;template=results;type=bowling'>http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=wickets;player_involve=49219;search_player=N+Wagner;team=5;template=results;type=bowling</a></p>
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    <p>When Boult, Southee and Wagner all play we have won 7, lost 3 and drawn 5. I really rate Henry and I wouldn't even be surprised to see him take a bag full against Aussie. I would go for Wagner though.</p>

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    <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="hydro11" data-cid="559104" data-time="1455666577">
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    <p>I think Wagner would provide more balance to the New Zealand attack.</p>
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    <p>Trent Boult average when Wagner plays: 73 wickets @25.01</p>
    <p>Trent Boult average when Wagner doesn't play: 71 wickets @32.27</p>
    <p>Tim Southee average when Wagner plays: 73 wickets @ 22.89</p>
    <p>Tim Southee average when Wagner doesn't play: 92 wickets @ 38.54</p>
    <p>Tim Southee's average when Wagner doesn't play (last 4 years) 52 wickets @ 35.27</p>
    <p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=wickets;player_involve=49219;search_player=N+Wagner;team=5;template=results;type=bowling'>http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=wickets;player_involve=49219;search_player=N+Wagner;team=5;template=results;type=bowling</a></p>
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    <p>When Boult, Southee and Wagner all play we have won 7, lost 3 and drawn 5. I really rate Henry and I wouldn't even be surprised to see him take a bag full against Aussie. I would go for Wagner though.</p>
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    <p>So in music terms Wagner is the steady Bassist to the duel axe attack of Boult and Southee, ie he makes them look better ?</p>

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    <p>Good article on Wagner too <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11590957'>http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11590957</a></p>

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    <p>I think if Boult and Southee were both on form, it would be a no-brainer to pick Wagner. However, given that they haven't been in such great form suggests that it makes sense to pick a 3rd strike bowler in Henry. Henry's case for selection is bolstered by the fact that the pitch should be a bit green and it is his home turf. The conundrum does make you tempted to just pick all 4 quick bowlers and drop Craig.</p>

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    <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="hydro11" data-cid="559107" data-time="1455667149">
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    <p>I think if Boult and Southee were both on form, it would be a no-brainer to pick Wagner. However, given that they haven't been in such great form suggests that it makes sense to pick a 3rd strike bowler in Henry. Henry's case for selection is bolstered by the fact that the pitch should be a bit green and it is his home turf. The conundrum does make you tempted to just pick all 4 quick bowlers and <strong>drop Craig</strong>.</p>
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    <p> </p>
    <p>Craig this season. 10 for 666.....this isn't a fucken Iron Maiden album so those figures don't look good.</p>

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