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    Ennor seems a bit like the Toeava for this generation of players in the fact that people keep talking up his potential and he keeps getting selected but the average punter is a bit confused why.

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    @chris That's Ennor presumably.

    Google threw up this for Crusaders' backs.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/300204816/super-rugby-josh-mckay-tipped-to-challenge-will-jordans-speed-record

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    @chris-b I always think when Rieko gets a clean intercept and is being chased, he runs at 90% and is foxing his speed (Teddy Thomas chasedown). Not sure why, either likes being "nearly" chased down or is not wasting an ounce of energy.

    When he HAS to hit top speed (being caught out of position and nearly skinned by Tom Banks ...) it looks like he still has his afterburners.

    BB not mentioned?

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    @l_n_p No - just that brief response.

    I'd think Reece, Bridge and Beaudy would be the other guys keen to line up on the start line. Beaudy's hit 30 now, though - so he's probably not quite as quick as he was five years ago.

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    @chris-b said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

    @chris That's Ennor presumably.

    Google threw up this for Crusaders' backs.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/300204816/super-rugby-josh-mckay-tipped-to-challenge-will-jordans-speed-record

    Game speed a bit different than top end speed over 100 m.
    Game speed is explosiveness over short distances to medium distances.

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    @chris-b said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

    @l_n_p No - just that brief response.

    I'd think Reece, Bridge and Beaudy would be the other guys keen to line up on the start line. Beaudy's hit 30 now, though - so he's probably not quite as quick as he was five years ago.

    BB has dropped his speed a bit it shows a little bit.

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    The 2013 game from Jo'burg was on Sky earlier in the week. Beauden was lightning fast back then (e.g., his try, catching le Roux from behind). We'll ignore his front-on tackling. ๐Ÿ˜‰

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    @bovidae That try in the RWC final as well. Runs away from Ben Smith and the Wallaby 14. And poor old Pocock! ๐Ÿ™‚

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    The game against the Argies was the freest I've seen Beauden run for a while, was a real threat with ball in hand. I really like the way we used him in that game, just maximised his strengths, hope we see more of that against the Boks.

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    @l_n_p said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

    @chris-b I always think when Rieko gets a clean intercept and is being chased, he runs at 90% and is foxing his speed (Teddy Thomas chasedown). Not sure why, either likes being "nearly" chased down or is not wasting an ounce of energy.

    When he HAS to hit top speed (being caught out of position and nearly skinned by Tom Banks ...) it looks like he still has his afterburners.

    BB not mentioned?

    Keeping a gear in reserve in case he needs it? It's hard to evade at top speed as you have no burst into a step. Only freaks like Cully could step and swerve at top speed without losing momentum.

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    DMac still has some speed. He can get back on the chase pretty swiftly.

    Top end speed is usually reached at about 20m I believe. Acceleration is good to get through gaps. I read an interesting study on this a while back. Will see if I can find it again.

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    @chris said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

    @chris-b said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

    @l_n_p No - just that brief response.

    I'd think Reece, Bridge and Beaudy would be the other guys keen to line up on the start line. Beaudy's hit 30 now, though - so he's probably not quite as quick as he was five years ago.

    BB has dropped his speed a bit it shows a little bit.

    His running style is short strides and fast legspeed, like the sprinter Michael Johnson but obviously less leg power. Never seen a faster 10.

    I just watched his linebreak in Pumas 1 where he throws that insane offload to Jacobson.
    You can see his legs don't move quite as fast as the "blur" they used to be.

    As he showed in that game, maybe it can actually make him a more rounded and better player. Hope they focus him on 10 and keep it competitive when RM is back.

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    @crucial said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

    DMac still has some speed. He can get back on the chase pretty swiftly.

    Top end speed is usually reached at about 20m I believe. Acceleration is good to get through gaps. I read an interesting study on this a while back. Will see if I can find it again.

    Found it. Interesting reading about athlete speed/ acceleration etc comparing sprinters and 'field sports'

    Maximum Speed: Misconceptions of Sprinting : Strength & Conditioning Journal

    Maximum Speed: Misconceptions of Sprinting : Strength & Conditioning Journal

    ROVIDES SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE ON 3 PROMINENT CONSTRUCTS IN THIS AREA: (A) ACHIEVING MAXIMUM SPEED OVER SHORT DISTANCES (<30 M), (B) ROLE OF THE GASTROCNEMIUS-SOLEUS-ACHILLES COMPLEX IN SPRINT PERFORMANCE, AND (C) THE PHASE OF THE SPRINT CYCLE THAT LIKELY PLAYS A DOMINANT ROLE IN ACHIEVING MAXIMUM...

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    I'm starting to get excited about tomorrow. Love the old rivalry ... good timing, can't wait. Great to have live sport on still

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    @crucial said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

    Keeping on gear in reserve in case he needs it? It's hard to evade at top speed as you have no burst into a step. Only freaks like Cully could step and swerve at top speed without losing momentum.

    3:14 on and well I think you're simply totally right, I just found this excellent video proving what you said.

    3:23 - Rieko makes the intercept
    3:28 - seems to drop his place a little to 90% - angling slightly infield for the posts
    3:31 - gets a nasty surprise when he senses that Teddy Thomas still close, and still chasing him down, Thomas is running at 100%
    3:31-3:32 - at that split second I think he doesn't know Thomas's exact line, so he's forced to make a decision, and (correctly) chooses the safer option and steps for the corner

    Cocky sod ... but Rieko I can cut a bit of slack. He was only 22 then, still only 24, and he genuinely seems to want to develop himself which is the main thing.

    ๐Ÿ‘ ๐Ÿ‘

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    Maybe this was on Breakdown this week.

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    @l_n_p that Ngwyena try has to be up their for straight line speed over that sort of distance.

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    Another couple to get us in the mood

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    @l_n_p said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

    Another fascinating Nick Bishop piece today https://www.theroar.com.au/2021/09/24/coachs-corner-issue-27-who-is-really-the-number-one-team-in-the-world/

    "The Springboks have lost the most own-ball rucks (6.7 per cent), and have the slowest average ruck speed at 4.1 seconds per breakdown โ€“ compared to New Zealandโ€™s 3.9 per cent loss rate and 2.8 average ruck speed.

    They have made only six clean breaks and eight offloads in four games, compared to 35 and 40 by the All Blacks ... The combination of poor ruck stats, and the low ratio of offloads attempted suggests that they donโ€™t dare to shift the ball through the hands too often, for fear of losing it to the most lethal counter-attacking side on the planet."

    Does it take into account how far apart the rucks are or how effective opposition are at burying the speedy ones at the bottom of the ruck? Statistics, statistics, statistics...

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