All Blacks vs Pumas I
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@junior said in All Blacks vs Pumas I (yay we’re not playing the Aussies again):
@bones said in All Blacks vs Pumas I (yay we’re not playing the Aussies again):
@kiwiwomble his option taking was dire, but if a player is doing one thing time and again, in some cases to the detriment of the team and he isn't under instruction to do just that, then I'm sure he'll get dropped pretty swiftly.
In fairness to him it did seem like there as a general instruction to take the contact when in those situations out wide where the opposition has cover in place. He actually did this well, gaining extra metres and time for his support players on multiple occasions. What was unforgivable was his failure to score or pass to his support when he got held up and bundles out in the corner. That was just awful all round.
Anyone else reckon Bridge did score in the corner? Looked like the ball was down to me, but agree probably wasn't conclusive enough to overturn.
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@crazy-horse I thought it was a brilliant display of George turning a pretty sure thing into no try. Just give it to Brodie...
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@bones yeah I did laugh at the time. Poor bugger.
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@crazy-horse said in All Blacks vs Pumas I (yay we’re not playing the Aussies again):
@bones yeah I did laugh at the time. Poor bugger.
Yeah I laughed about as much as I did when Jordie went full onco kick to the face. Only George/Jordie.
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The thing I liked most about this performance was how much rugby we played. Less kicking ( not sure if stats support this? ) and lots of direct running and continuity. Be interested to see if they can continue this next week and then take that into games with Boks. Will want to give away less technical penalties at scrum time ( frustrating), be better with accuracy of lineout throwing, and very accurate at ruck time where the bodies will be bigger.
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@chris-b said in All Blacks vs Pumas I (yay we’re not playing the Aussies again):
@act-crusader What's that boxing analogy about a good big man vs a good little man.
Wait and see. I think Jordan is going to end up a very special player.
I don’t doubt that at all and have said as much previously. To me he has Dagg/Bender like class to him. I just don’t think we have to rush him and right now I think we are getting more from Reece.
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@act-crusader I don't think he's being rushed. He's not quite a year younger than Sevu and Rieko and a year older than Caleb Clarke.
If anything, he's been a bit held back by missing a year through illness/injury.
All three are good options though - but, Rieko and Will are my first choices.
Bridge is also decent enough, but these three are better now.
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@kiwipie said in All Blacks vs Pumas I (yay we’re not playing the Aussies again):
Has DMac lost some of his pace? The main reason he was so dangerous was that he could take a gap and be gone but now he just looks small and nippy but not fast.
The Argentina defence really was excellent. Given how easily the Aussies gave up tries after just one missed tackle, the ABs really had to work hard to get over the line and the Argies really never seemed to be outnumbered even after multiple phases.
I blame his haircut.
Pretty good performance all around. Dominated with ball in hand, Argies had a few good phases, but we managed to keep them scoreless.. Agreed with the Aus commentator at the end on taking the penalty - keeping them scoreless a key goal achieved.
But seriously, back to the haircuts. They are all fucking awful. Especially Rieko, DMac & Havili. Just god awful.
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@majorrage said in All Blacks vs Pumas I (yay we’re not playing the Aussies again):
@kiwipie said in All Blacks vs Pumas I (yay we’re not playing the Aussies again):
Has DMac lost some of his pace? The main reason he was so dangerous was that he could take a gap and be gone but now he just looks small and nippy but not fast.
The Argentina defence really was excellent. Given how easily the Aussies gave up tries after just one missed tackle, the ABs really had to work hard to get over the line and the Argies really never seemed to be outnumbered even after multiple phases.
I blame his haircut.
Pretty good performance all around. Dominated with ball in hand, Argies had a few good phases, but we managed to keep them scoreless.. Agreed with the Aus commentator at the end on taking the penalty - keeping them scoreless a key goal achieved.
But seriously, back to the haircuts. They are all fucking awful. Especially Rieko, DMac & Havili. Just god awful.
I think Ethan Blackadders is the worst but it’s still possibly better than his Dads ever was.
What a ghastly period for “do’s” in Rugby teams all round.
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@machpants said in All Blacks vs Pumas I (yay we’re not playing the Aussies again):
@billy-tell said in All Blacks vs Pumas I (yay we’re not playing the Aussies again):
Finally got a chance to watch the game. Based on this forum, I was expecting Bridge to have had a 'mare. In fact he was fine, one knock on in the 79 minute excepted. Too many people stroking each other off over bridge "say it louder baby, bridge is hopeless, that's right give me that upvote". Will never be an AB great, but he is hardly in the basket case category either.
ABs are waaaay better this season. Starts with selection, which is much better than last year. Forwards more direct. I think the ABs should ditch Coles who is now 34, 36 in 2023. The 2 hookers both had very solid games. I think the best AB loose trio would be Ioane, Cane and Jacobson, with Savea on the bench. Jacobson is a really class player.
BB, RI and BBBR were probably my 3 top players, but no-one disgraced themselves. There is great depth, if we have a weakness I'd say lock: Barrett is already a step down, I really don't rate PT at international level. The sprinbok and NH tests will be a good litmus test - teams that thrive on 10 man rugby and would be more than happy to claim an AB scalp playing that way.
Like Mealamu in 2015? Nah, if you’re good enough you’re not too old.
About Bridge, he wasn’t pointed out as crap. Just having been totally nothing as a winger. ABs wingers are X factor awesome, or amazing 2nd fullbacks (more recently) Bridge is meh. He is fine, but there are better options to go for long term. Everything about him says Journeyman, break out in case of emergency
Bridge = Not crap.
All we want in an All Black winger.
What he lacks in pace pace, power and elusiveness he makes with being solid and dependable...
He's a good player, just doesn't bring the extra.
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@old-samurai-jack said in All Blacks vs Pumas I (yay we’re not playing the Aussies again):
Jeez, this anti-Bridge narrative is really out of hand on here. Mere mention of his name and you get:
"Anti Bridge"?
Or identification or "Adequate"?
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@bones said in All Blacks vs Pumas I (yay we’re not playing the Aussies again):
@nzzp said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
@nostrildamus said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
Hope George is ready.
I google George Bridge Highlights. This was the first hit on Google. 15 tries, take a look ... of them, I reckon he had to actually 'do' something in 3-4 or so; the rest were catch and run straight. Someone should do a summary if they're bored... but it supports the narrative of a solid but unspectacular winger
Wouldn't Jordan's be pretty similar?
Jordan is one of those guys where the ball just falls for him. To the point where it happens much too often for it not to be a fluke.
Much like Sevu Reece gets flukey bounces way too often.
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@bones said in All Blacks vs Pumas I (yay we’re not playing the Aussies again):
@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Pumas I (yay we’re not playing the Aussies again):
rouge
Oui
Rouge et noir
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@broughie said in All Blacks vs Pumas I (yay we’re not playing the Aussies again):
Seems to be the other way around. Any criticsm of his fuckups and really subpar performances and Crusaders fans come leaping out of the woodwork to defend him.
I’ve come up against that. Mentioned one time that I hoped Ethan Blackadder was not a plodder like his dad and it was an irrepressible wave of hate comments. Even tried to badgering me on messenger.
Given that I'm not actually sure how I'd cyber stalk @broughie on actual soc med. That's weird.
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@act-crusader said in All Blacks vs Pumas I (yay we’re not playing the Aussies again):
@chris-b said in All Blacks vs Pumas I (yay we’re not playing the Aussies again):
@act-crusader What's that boxing analogy about a good big man vs a good little man.
Wait and see. I think Jordan is going to end up a very special player.
I don’t doubt that at all and have said as much previously. To me he has Dagg/Bender like class to him. I just don’t think we have to rush him and right now I think we are getting more from Reece.
Agree and agree and disagree. I think it's about time to put some minutes into him.
I do agree that Reece's workrate is really good right now, but this guy is special.
If Clarke regains some form, we'll have no shortage of dangerous outside backs.
I can't see a place for Dmac to return to after his sabbatical, he may be a 10 option at Super level and a squaddie at AB level, but even that last one will start getting hard once Jordan has a few more games in him.
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Full replay with the OZ commentary - may not stay up for long -
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I know most of the Ferners prefer Mo'unga to BB but the latter launched his backline perfectly against the Argies last Sunday. It was smooth and direct. I can't remember Mo'unga doing the same with the black jersey. Of course, Mo'unga is a far better goalkicker but with Jordie taking the goalkicking duties, this could not be a problem anymore. Moreover, defensively, BB is superior to RM, IMO.
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@cgrant said in All Blacks vs Pumas I (yay we’re not playing the Aussies again):
I know most of the Ferners prefer Mo'unga to BB but the latter launched his backline perfectly against the Argies last Sunday. It was smooth and direct. I can't remember Mo'unga doing the same with the black jersey. Of course, Mo'unga is a far better goalkicker but with Jordie taking the goalkicking duties, this could not be a problem anymore. Moreover, defensively, BB is superior to RM, IMO.
It's good for RM to get pushed either way. Jordie with his 60m+ range is a very valuable weapon with either player at 10.
