Foster, Robertson, Rennie etc
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@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2021:
@nepia said in All Blacks 2021:
Why are the Cantabs circling the wagons for Razor?
I don’t think there’s anyone here who’d rather have Fozzie than Razor.
i hope you were insinuating i was a saders fan....i want the AB's to poach him so the saders dont have him any more!
Nope wasn’t accusing you of being a Crusaders fan - I’m not cruel.
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@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2021:
@nepia said in All Blacks 2021:
Why are the Cantabs circling the wagons for Razor?
I don’t think there’s anyone here who’d rather have Fozzie than Razor.
i hope you were insinuating i was a saders fan....i want the AB's to poach him so the saders dont have him any more!
Yeah on second thoughts Fuck it Ab's can keep Foster, we will keep Razor and keep winning.
Then I can keep bagging the fuck out of Foster for his next 9 years. -
@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2021:
"Irrespective how I word this, it will be interpreted incorrectly by some.
Being a strong advocate of Scott Robertson to replace Steve Hansen as All Blacks coach does not mean Ian Foster is not the right fit in my eyes.
But — there’s always a but — I can’t help feeling that the New Zealand Rugby hierarchy has missed a trick here.
Timing is everything, they say, and the timing for ‘Razor’ to assume the most prestigious post of his career was absolutely perfect.
He is a brilliant coach, a brilliant people person, and when Sam Whitelock returns from his gap year in Japan, he would have had a brilliant chemistry with his captain moving towards the next World Cup.
When I heard Razor hadn’t got the job, I started wondering where did he fall short? Of course, he didn’t fall short at all.
The NZRU clearly were looking for something different. Continuity? Experience? But what have they given up?
Razor’s vision for the All Blacks is something the players and the country will miss going forward.
I’d love to have seen his presentation, because rest assured, it would have been innovative and progressive and something the interview board would not have seen before. Perhaps too much so.
Maybe ‘falling short’ amounted to being too ‘out there’ for decision-makers in the NZRU, and I am only surmising here.
Rugby and society are changing so fast nowadays, it’s hard to keep up if you are in your twenties, never mind forty-something coaches like Razor and I. But he gets it.
He connects brilliantly with players 20 years younger than him. I believe that should be a pre-requisite for getting a job like this.
He just makes the game so enjoyable. Being in an All Black camp with Razor would have been a fun place to be.
Of course, there’s no reason to assume it won’t be like that under Ian Foster.
Those underwhelmed by his appointment point to the ‘sameness’ of the new set-up, but that does not take into consideration the player turnover in that time.
Foster is 54, he was clearly not ‘the people’s choice’, but that perception is very easily changed when you are racking up the W’s.
I worked closely with Scott Robertson for two years, so I am biased. It is argued that one of his main shortcomings is a lack of international test experience.
That’s an impossible argument to win either way but consider two things here — No 1, that is a stick used to beat a player, not a coach who has dominated the game in the southern hemisphere for three years.
And secondly, two thirds of the NZ team are his own Crusaders, many of them he has developed into All Black leaders.
Razor’s ability to get the best out of the remainder of the group when they pull on the black jersey is beyond dispute when you’ve seen him work at close quarters.
Where does he excel? His abilities in the area of people interaction and connection are off the charts. He stokes players’ passion, their identity, and their focus.
I saw all those things first hand in Christchurch and I think he would even ramp it up had he been the new All Blacks coach.
I do wonder was Razor even over the heads of some of the decision-makers in this process? I don’t mean that in a pejorative way, but he thinks fresh and he thinks different.
Maybe that scared some folk."
or maybe they considered that he did not have enough experience to coach the all blacks. keep growing and it will come.
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@ploughboy said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2021:
"Irrespective how I word this, it will be interpreted incorrectly by some.
Being a strong advocate of Scott Robertson to replace Steve Hansen as All Blacks coach does not mean Ian Foster is not the right fit in my eyes.
But — there’s always a but — I can’t help feeling that the New Zealand Rugby hierarchy has missed a trick here.
Timing is everything, they say, and the timing for ‘Razor’ to assume the most prestigious post of his career was absolutely perfect.
He is a brilliant coach, a brilliant people person, and when Sam Whitelock returns from his gap year in Japan, he would have had a brilliant chemistry with his captain moving towards the next World Cup.
When I heard Razor hadn’t got the job, I started wondering where did he fall short? Of course, he didn’t fall short at all.
The NZRU clearly were looking for something different. Continuity? Experience? But what have they given up?
Razor’s vision for the All Blacks is something the players and the country will miss going forward.
I’d love to have seen his presentation, because rest assured, it would have been innovative and progressive and something the interview board would not have seen before. Perhaps too much so.
Maybe ‘falling short’ amounted to being too ‘out there’ for decision-makers in the NZRU, and I am only surmising here.
Rugby and society are changing so fast nowadays, it’s hard to keep up if you are in your twenties, never mind forty-something coaches like Razor and I. But he gets it.
He connects brilliantly with players 20 years younger than him. I believe that should be a pre-requisite for getting a job like this.
He just makes the game so enjoyable. Being in an All Black camp with Razor would have been a fun place to be.
Of course, there’s no reason to assume it won’t be like that under Ian Foster.
Those underwhelmed by his appointment point to the ‘sameness’ of the new set-up, but that does not take into consideration the player turnover in that time.
Foster is 54, he was clearly not ‘the people’s choice’, but that perception is very easily changed when you are racking up the W’s.
I worked closely with Scott Robertson for two years, so I am biased. It is argued that one of his main shortcomings is a lack of international test experience.
That’s an impossible argument to win either way but consider two things here — No 1, that is a stick used to beat a player, not a coach who has dominated the game in the southern hemisphere for three years.
And secondly, two thirds of the NZ team are his own Crusaders, many of them he has developed into All Black leaders.
Razor’s ability to get the best out of the remainder of the group when they pull on the black jersey is beyond dispute when you’ve seen him work at close quarters.
Where does he excel? His abilities in the area of people interaction and connection are off the charts. He stokes players’ passion, their identity, and their focus.
I saw all those things first hand in Christchurch and I think he would even ramp it up had he been the new All Blacks coach.
I do wonder was Razor even over the heads of some of the decision-makers in this process? I don’t mean that in a pejorative way, but he thinks fresh and he thinks different.
Maybe that scared some folk."
or maybe they considered that he did not have enough experience to coach the all blacks. keep growing and it will come.
Experience is great isn't it Foster has had 7 years of it as AB assistant coach then fucks up the next 2.
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@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2021:
@nepia said in All Blacks 2021:
Why are the Cantabs circling the wagons for Razor?
I don’t think there’s anyone here who’d rather have Fozzie than Razor.
i hope you were insinuating i was a saders fan....i want the AB's to poach him so the saders dont have him any more!
Yeah on second thoughts Fuck it Ab's can keep Foster, we will keep Razor and keep winning.
Then I can keep bagging the fuck out of Foster for his next 9 years.nope, too late, you've made your argument, it would be unfern like to change your mind due to new evidence
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@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2021:
@nepia said in All Blacks 2021:
Why are the Cantabs circling the wagons for Razor?
I don’t think there’s anyone here who’d rather have Fozzie than Razor.
i hope you were insinuating i was a saders fan....i want the AB's to poach him so the saders dont have him any more!
Yeah on second thoughts Fuck it Ab's can keep Foster, we will keep Razor and keep winning.
Then I can keep bagging the fuck out of Foster for his next 9 years.nope, too late, you've made your argument, it would be unfern like to change your mind due to new evidence
Fuck it sorry, Crusaders brother's out there.
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@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2021:
@nepia said in All Blacks 2021:
Why are the Cantabs circling the wagons for Razor?
I don’t think there’s anyone here who’d rather have Fozzie than Razor.
i hope you were insinuating i was a saders fan....i want the AB's to poach him so the saders dont have him any more!
Yeah on second thoughts Fuck it Ab's can keep Foster, we will keep Razor and keep winning.
Then I can keep bagging the fuck out of Foster for his next 9 years.That sounds like the Canterbury way.
Will you be supporting the Wallabies when Razor takes over coaching them too? Some of us haven't forgotten that.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2021:
@nepia said in All Blacks 2021:
Why are the Cantabs circling the wagons for Razor?
I don’t think there’s anyone here who’d rather have Fozzie than Razor.
i hope you were insinuating i was a saders fan....i want the AB's to poach him so the saders dont have him any more!
Yeah on second thoughts Fuck it Ab's can keep Foster, we will keep Razor and keep winning.
Then I can keep bagging the fuck out of Foster for his next 9 years.That sounds like the Canterbury way.
Will you be supporting the Wallabies when Razor takes over coaching them too? Some of us haven't forgotten that.
Ahhh no, He then becomes a traitor so fuck him.If he left the Crusaders only would forgive him if he left the Crusaders to coach the AB's, my post above was tongue in cheek you realise.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2021:
@nepia said in All Blacks 2021:
Why are the Cantabs circling the wagons for Razor?
I don’t think there’s anyone here who’d rather have Fozzie than Razor.
i hope you were insinuating i was a saders fan....i want the AB's to poach him so the saders dont have him any more!
Yeah on second thoughts Fuck it Ab's can keep Foster, we will keep Razor and keep winning.
Then I can keep bagging the fuck out of Foster for his next 9 years.That sounds like the Canterbury way.
Will you be supporting the Wallabies when Razor takes over coaching them too? Some of us haven't forgotten that.
You mean like Rennie now coaching them ?
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@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2021:
@nepia said in All Blacks 2021:
Why are the Cantabs circling the wagons for Razor?
I don’t think there’s anyone here who’d rather have Fozzie than Razor.
i hope you were insinuating i was a saders fan....i want the AB's to poach him so the saders dont have him any more!
Yeah on second thoughts Fuck it Ab's can keep Foster, we will keep Razor and keep winning.
Then I can keep bagging the fuck out of Foster for his next 9 years.That sounds like the Canterbury way.
Will you be supporting the Wallabies when Razor takes over coaching them too? Some of us haven't forgotten that.
You mean like Rennie now coaching them ?
Go find my post when he was appointed.
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I see someone was comparing Deans record with Razors. Worth pointing out the standard of super rugby has dropped considerably since that era.
Particularly in the opposition, Aussie sides are terrible and SA teams are not as strong as they were 15 years ago.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2021:
@nepia said in All Blacks 2021:
Why are the Cantabs circling the wagons for Razor?
I don’t think there’s anyone here who’d rather have Fozzie than Razor.
i hope you were insinuating i was a saders fan....i want the AB's to poach him so the saders dont have him any more!
Yeah on second thoughts Fuck it Ab's can keep Foster, we will keep Razor and keep winning.
Then I can keep bagging the fuck out of Foster for his next 9 years.That sounds like the Canterbury way.
Will you be supporting the Wallabies when Razor takes over coaching them too? Some of us haven't forgotten that.
You mean like Rennie now coaching them ?
Go find my post when he was appointed.
I can't be fucked.
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@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2021:
@nepia said in All Blacks 2021:
Why are the Cantabs circling the wagons for Razor?
I don’t think there’s anyone here who’d rather have Fozzie than Razor.
i hope you were insinuating i was a saders fan....i want the AB's to poach him so the saders dont have him any more!
Yeah on second thoughts Fuck it Ab's can keep Foster, we will keep Razor and keep winning.
Then I can keep bagging the fuck out of Foster for his next 9 years.That sounds like the Canterbury way.
Will you be supporting the Wallabies when Razor takes over coaching them too? Some of us haven't forgotten that.
You mean like Rennie now coaching them ?
Go find my post when he was appointed.
I can't be fucked.
https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/topic/3556/all-black-coach-ian-foster/583
https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/topic/4200/bledisloe-one-wellington-october-11/1082
https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/topic/1056/aussie-rugby/1887
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2021:
@nepia said in All Blacks 2021:
Why are the Cantabs circling the wagons for Razor?
I don’t think there’s anyone here who’d rather have Fozzie than Razor.
i hope you were insinuating i was a saders fan....i want the AB's to poach him so the saders dont have him any more!
Yeah on second thoughts Fuck it Ab's can keep Foster, we will keep Razor and keep winning.
Then I can keep bagging the fuck out of Foster for his next 9 years.That sounds like the Canterbury way.
Will you be supporting the Wallabies when Razor takes over coaching them too? Some of us haven't forgotten that.
You mean like Rennie now coaching them ?
Go find my post when he was appointed.
I can't be fucked.
https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/topic/3556/all-black-coach-ian-foster/583
https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/topic/4200/bledisloe-one-wellington-october-11/1082
https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/topic/1056/aussie-rugby/1887
You did react badly didn't you
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@kirwan said in All Blacks 2021:
I see someone was comparing Deans record with Razors. Worth pointing out the standard of super rugby has dropped considerably since that era.
Particularly in the opposition, Aussie sides are terrible and SA teams are not as strong as they were 15 years ago.
look at the kiwi sides! look at the standard of some of the starting, first choice players compared to the Deans era.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:
@kirwan said in All Blacks 2021:
I see someone was comparing Deans record with Razors. Worth pointing out the standard of super rugby has dropped considerably since that era.
Particularly in the opposition, Aussie sides are terrible and SA teams are not as strong as they were 15 years ago.
look at the kiwi sides! look at the standard of some of the starting, first choice players compared to the Deans era.
Yep, I think we need to be realistic about where rugby in this part of the world is at right now.
We actually need to desperately up the standard here otherwise it won’t matter who is coach.
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@kirwan said in All Blacks 2021:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:
@kirwan said in All Blacks 2021:
I see someone was comparing Deans record with Razors. Worth pointing out the standard of super rugby has dropped considerably since that era.
Particularly in the opposition, Aussie sides are terrible and SA teams are not as strong as they were 15 years ago.
look at the kiwi sides! look at the standard of some of the starting, first choice players compared to the Deans era.
Yep, I think we need to be realistic about where rugby in this part of the world is at right now.
We actually need to desperately up the standard here otherwise it won’t matter who is coach.
no no, Super Rugby Aotearoa was like 2 test matches a weekend! honest bro! best club competition in the world by heaps
The significant problem is retaining the upskilled or physically developed players.
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@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2021:
@nepia said in All Blacks 2021:
Why are the Cantabs circling the wagons for Razor?
I don’t think there’s anyone here who’d rather have Fozzie than Razor.
i hope you were insinuating i was a saders fan....i want the AB's to poach him so the saders dont have him any more!
Yeah on second thoughts Fuck it Ab's can keep Foster, we will keep Razor and keep winning.
Then I can keep bagging the fuck out of Foster for his next 9 years.That sounds like the Canterbury way.
Will you be supporting the Wallabies when Razor takes over coaching them too? Some of us haven't forgotten that.
You mean like Rennie now coaching them ?
Go find my post when he was appointed.
I can't be fucked.
https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/topic/3556/all-black-coach-ian-foster/583
https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/topic/4200/bledisloe-one-wellington-october-11/1082
https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/topic/1056/aussie-rugby/1887
You did react badly didn't you
I'm a relatively reasonable person except for the following cases:
- an AB loss
- a bad call against the ABs
- a bad exit by the ABs
- a Chiefs loss
- a bad Chiefs performance
- a bad exit by the Chiefs
- an NZ coach taking a position to coach Australia
- anything to do with the English rugby team
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@kirwan the Super Rugby format changed to conferences in 2016 resulting in a lot more NZ derby fixtures, and I'd argue that between 2016-present the NZ franchises have never been more evenly matched, at present we have 4-5 exceptionally strong NZ franchises, with talent spread more uniformly between the 5 franchises compared to the past.
back in Henry-era.. Highlanders, Chiefs were rubbish, Blues were also poor, Hurricanes up & down, Crusaders only consistent NZ side.
Also, your argument also has little merit because in the last 2 years Razor has been playing solely NZ opposition, in arguably the most competitive & evenly matched club competition in the world - Aaron Smith and other players compared Super Rugby Aotearoa to test-match intensity.
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