Poll: Foster reappointment
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I'm not sure the one eyes would be willing to accept sacking Robertson after only 10 tests during with a similar record if he were the one appointed.
At this point Foster should be extended until the end of the TRC next year, with the assistants to be reviewed after both this year's TRC (if it goes poorly) and EOYT.
While I wasn't convinced Robertson was the right man for a probable four year appointment as head coach, I do think he, Gats or a combo of both are our best chance of shaking things up and catching lightning in a bottle for 2023 like Erasmus or Cheika and midway through next year would be the latest that change could be made IMO.
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@rotated said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
I'm not sure the one eyes would be willing to accept sacking Robertson after only 10 tests during with a similar record if he were the one appointed.
At this point Foster should be extended until the end of the TRC next year, with the assistants to be reviewed after both this year's TRC (if it goes poorly) and EOYT.
While I wasn't convinced Robertson was the right man for a probable four year appointment as head coach, I do think he, Gats or a combo of both are our best chance of shaking things up and catching lightning in a bottle for 2023 like Erasmus or Cheika and midway through next year would be the latest that change could be made IMO.
The difference is that Foster is considered to be an extension of the old guard while Robertson would be a completely new regime. Having said that, there would still be question marks about Robertsen if he’d delivered the dross we saw last year.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
@rotated said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
I'm not sure the one eyes would be willing to accept sacking Robertson after only 10 tests during with a similar record if he were the one appointed.
At this point Foster should be extended until the end of the TRC next year, with the assistants to be reviewed after both this year's TRC (if it goes poorly) and EOYT.
While I wasn't convinced Robertson was the right man for a probable four year appointment as head coach, I do think he, Gats or a combo of both are our best chance of shaking things up and catching lightning in a bottle for 2023 like Erasmus or Cheika and midway through next year would be the latest that change could be made IMO.
The difference is that Foster is considered to be an extension of the old guard while Robertson would be a completely new regime. Having said that, there would still be question marks about Robertsen if he’d delivered the dross we saw last year.
His record with national rep teams is not stellar and coaches with limited coaching experience outside the Crusaders environment have had mixed results elsewhere from Robbie on down.
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@delicatessen no, they either reappoint, or they advertise for applicants, NZR credibility is already at a bit of a low, if they advertise and Foster is reappointed would be even more of a farce...for me, if they advertise, he is gone (unless no one else applies)
I dont think he has done anythign to deserve the old heave ho and dont let the door hit you on the way out, it isnt his fault the limited opposition we have had, but he needs to take the heat and show a plan because right now it appears we are stale and running in 3rd gear most of the time
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Foster's defensive coach is the first against the wall.
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No great fan of Foster or his initial appointment, but time to the next World Cup is running out fast. I thought yesterday's performance showed promise and was the best of Foster's reign in many respects.
Not happy at all about the defensive structure. McLeod must go. Want to see Tony Brown join the coaching staff. Voted for retaining Foster but with a compulsory rejig of the assistants.
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@ploughboy in an ideal world Razor joins him to maintain the old succession thing, but unless he changed his mind, that was ruled out last time wasn't it?
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@taniwharugby it was robertson who was against that wasnt it
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@ploughboy yeah that's what I meant....
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Thought about this some more - and wanted to be really clear that this isn't just a 'sack the coach' response. He had a two year term. The question is really whether he has done enough to suggest he's the man to take us through to the RWC. For me, I don't think so; I haven't seen the improvements in the game I'd expect. Weaknesses are still there.
@taniwharugby said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
I dont think he has done anythign to deserve the old heave ho and dont let the door hit you on the way out, it isnt his fault the limited opposition we have had, but he needs to take the heat and show a plan because right now it appears we are stale and running in 3rd gear most of the time
it's not a sacking, it's a question of reappointing (extending the contract).
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@rotated said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
I'm not sure the one eyes would be willing to accept sacking Robertson after only 10 tests during with a similar record if he were the one appointed.
At this point Foster should be extended until the end of the TRC next year, with the assistants to be reviewed after both this year's TRC (if it goes poorly) and EOYT.
While I wasn't convinced Robertson was the right man for a probable four year appointment as head coach, I do think he, Gats or a combo of both are our best chance of shaking things up and catching lightning in a bottle for 2023 like Erasmus or Cheika and midway through next year would be the latest that change could be made IMO.
Agree with this - given where we are at in the cycle and the relatively short time we have to address the multitude of issues, what we’ll probably need to win the RWC is someone who can come in and quickly shake things up and build a simple and pragmatic game plan that can win a World Cup. That to me is either Razor or Gats but even if they did win the RWC - which is unlikely - they don’t necessarily get re appointed after 2023 given what we need is really a rescue mission and not a re-build. That’s why I think Gats is the better man for the rescue job, as I’m not sure if I want Razor to take on that potentially poisoned chalice.
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@junior said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
Agree with this - given where we are at in the cycle and the relatively short time we have to address the multitude of issues, what we’ll probably need to win the RWC is someone who can come in and quickly shake things up and build a simple and pragmatic game plan that can win a World Cup.
God?
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@victor-meldrew said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
@junior said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
Agree with this - given where we are at in the cycle and the relatively short time we have to address the multitude of issues, what we’ll probably need to win the RWC is someone who can come in and quickly shake things up and build a simple and pragmatic game plan that can win a World Cup.
God?
depends - does he think Bridge is one of our premier wingers or not?
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@junior said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
what we’ll probably need to win the RWC is someone who can come in and quickly shake things up
The longer they wait the easier it will be to make calls on the class of 2013 and Whitelock too. That would have leadership implications. Hansen was not capable of making the calls on Read and SBW that needed to be made, I doubt Foster is either.
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@nzzp said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
Alright folks, time to put your money where your mouth is.
I'm still firmly of the opinion I've seen enough that I'd be looking to move on from Foster. I don't think he has developed much of our game, and selections have been consistently haphazard. To me, on his body of work, he should be gooooooorne
How many tests has he been in charge of? Is it 11? And 6 of those have been against the Aussies.
Hasn’t had the opportunity to play a NH opponent or the Boks yet.
I think things have developed in our game plan, but I don’t underestimate the fact that you do need different opponents to challenge and expand you.
Also I don’t think selections have been any different in terms of changes, experiments and new players, as previous coaches starting out. Some have worked out better than others but in my view that’s all part of it.
I’m also doubtful at this point there is someone that will ‘shake things up’ as has been mentioned.
I’m with the Aussie bloke, Fozzie all the way 😃
