Too many events at the Olympics?
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I'm interested in what is a game in the 'spirit' of the games, and based on that, what should be allowed at future games. My working premise was that Olympics was traditionally to test, extend and marvel at humanity's physical and mental toughness, determination, skill and testing of our boundaries, the records themselves are also given at many other events so that is not the primary goal of the Olympics.
But that doesn't explain the inclusion of horse-racing
https://olympics.com/ioc/ancient-olympic-games/the-sports-eventsAnd to say "do whatever you like but finish the fastest" doesn't quite seem in the spirit of the traditional Olympics, to me either.
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The ancient Olympics were all about older guys hooking up with younger guys, and that’s about it. The competition was, well, you can figure it out. It’s hardly a secret. Just keeping it real. Ask the Greeks. National Geographic covered this in 1996. The horse races were foreplay.
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@nostrildamus by that do you mean Pierre de Coubertin's adoption of architecture, sculpture, painting, literature and music competitions in the Olympics as well?
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@taniwharugby said in Olympics Thread:
Dylan Schmidt wins bronze in trampolining
The first gymnastic medal in our history 👏
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Trivia question: of the 12 medal winners from the two Australasian Olympic teams, how many, if any, could consider themselves Australasians anyway?
Brad Thorn. He won the Gold Medal for Kicking Ass.
I didn't realize he was a 1908 or 1912 Olympian but he certainly had old school forearms.
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Yeah you’ve mentioned the Phelps thing before and it doesn’t help your argument. Another ridiculously stupid statement.
As I said last year: Phelps has won a single Olympic gold medal where he alone was the fastest over a distance: 200m freestyle. Paavo Nurmi and Carl Lewis are better Olympians.
If I recall correctly you also said that Bradbury’s achievement was greater than anything Phelps ever did. That’s easily the stupidest thing I’ve ever seen on TSF, although the argument that butterfly is equivalent to jogging comes close.
You didn't lose your lollies as much as I expected to that bait. Which surprised me. Butterfly is slower than freestyle over the same distance. So is jogging, Any other analogies I can assist you with?
This has to be a windup. You cant be that stupid.
Great rebuttal.
We're done here.Ok I’ll bite. Bear crawls, hopping on one leg and skipping are slower than running. Ergo they must be jogging right? What awesome logic.
You should probably stop posting if that's your grasp of the topic.
To make this easier for you: Jogging is slower than sprinting. So too is walking. That doesn't mean walking and jogging are the same thing.
That’s exactly what I’m saying. Now apply that to swimming. It’s really not so hard. You can do it.
I’ll make it even easier for you. Butterfly is slower than freestyle. Why? Because it’s a completely different farking stroke. Not because it’s just a slower freestyle. Comparing it to jogging is absolutely absurd.
You're either deliberately missing the point or really fucking stupid.
Delightful.
And accurate.
See above. Seriously man. How hard is it to understand? Butterfly and freestyle are not the equivalent to running and jogging. If you are still arguing that then you need your head examined.
Once again rancid demonstrates his complete ignorance of analogy and ignores the point.
Once again you lead with your face and instead of getting out while you can you double down on the stupid. Again a discussion with Antipodean has taken a turn for the surreal.
Everyone else has the cognitive ability to understand that the analogy for running events was to demonstrate that there's no abundance of medals for doing the same distance slower.
And anyone with a brain would realise that it’s a terrible analogy to compare different swimming strokes to jogging and running. That’s my issue. Seriously, how hard is that for you to understand?
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Yeah you’ve mentioned the Phelps thing before and it doesn’t help your argument. Another ridiculously stupid statement.
As I said last year: Phelps has won a single Olympic gold medal where he alone was the fastest over a distance: 200m freestyle. Paavo Nurmi and Carl Lewis are better Olympians.
If I recall correctly you also said that Bradbury’s achievement was greater than anything Phelps ever did. That’s easily the stupidest thing I’ve ever seen on TSF, although the argument that butterfly is equivalent to jogging comes close.
You didn't lose your lollies as much as I expected to that bait. Which surprised me. Butterfly is slower than freestyle over the same distance. So is jogging, Any other analogies I can assist you with?
This has to be a windup. You cant be that stupid.
Great rebuttal.
We're done here.Ok I’ll bite. Bear crawls, hopping on one leg and skipping are slower than running. Ergo they must be jogging right? What awesome logic.
You should probably stop posting if that's your grasp of the topic.
To make this easier for you: Jogging is slower than sprinting. So too is walking. That doesn't mean walking and jogging are the same thing.
That’s exactly what I’m saying. Now apply that to swimming. It’s really not so hard. You can do it.
I’ll make it even easier for you. Butterfly is slower than freestyle. Why? Because it’s a completely different farking stroke. Not because it’s just a slower freestyle. Comparing it to jogging is absolutely absurd.
You're either deliberately missing the point or really fucking stupid.
Delightful.
And accurate.
See above. Seriously man. How hard is it to understand? Butterfly and freestyle are not the equivalent to running and jogging. If you are still arguing that then you need your head examined.
Once again rancid demonstrates his complete ignorance of analogy and ignores the point.
Once again you lead with your face and instead of getting out while you can you double down on the stupid. Again a discussion with Antipodean has taken a turn for the surreal.
Everyone else has the cognitive ability to understand that the analogy for running events was to demonstrate that there's no abundance of medals for doing the same distance slower.
And anyone with a brain would realise that it’s a terrible analogy to compare different swimming strokes to jogging and running. That’s my issue. Seriously, how hard is that for you to understand?
I understand perfectly that you're busy flailing away at your own straw man.
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Yeah you’ve mentioned the Phelps thing before and it doesn’t help your argument. Another ridiculously stupid statement.
As I said last year: Phelps has won a single Olympic gold medal where he alone was the fastest over a distance: 200m freestyle. Paavo Nurmi and Carl Lewis are better Olympians.
If I recall correctly you also said that Bradbury’s achievement was greater than anything Phelps ever did. That’s easily the stupidest thing I’ve ever seen on TSF, although the argument that butterfly is equivalent to jogging comes close.
You didn't lose your lollies as much as I expected to that bait. Which surprised me. Butterfly is slower than freestyle over the same distance. So is jogging, Any other analogies I can assist you with?
This has to be a windup. You cant be that stupid.
Great rebuttal.
We're done here.Ok I’ll bite. Bear crawls, hopping on one leg and skipping are slower than running. Ergo they must be jogging right? What awesome logic.
You should probably stop posting if that's your grasp of the topic.
To make this easier for you: Jogging is slower than sprinting. So too is walking. That doesn't mean walking and jogging are the same thing.
That’s exactly what I’m saying. Now apply that to swimming. It’s really not so hard. You can do it.
I’ll make it even easier for you. Butterfly is slower than freestyle. Why? Because it’s a completely different farking stroke. Not because it’s just a slower freestyle. Comparing it to jogging is absolutely absurd.
You're either deliberately missing the point or really fucking stupid.
Delightful.
And accurate.
See above. Seriously man. How hard is it to understand? Butterfly and freestyle are not the equivalent to running and jogging. If you are still arguing that then you need your head examined.
Once again rancid demonstrates his complete ignorance of analogy and ignores the point.
Once again you lead with your face and instead of getting out while you can you double down on the stupid. Again a discussion with Antipodean has taken a turn for the surreal.
Everyone else has the cognitive ability to understand that the analogy for running events was to demonstrate that there's no abundance of medals for doing the same distance slower.
And anyone with a brain would realise that it’s a terrible analogy to compare different swimming strokes to jogging and running. That’s my issue. Seriously, how hard is that for you to understand?
So what's the positive argument for having all four strokes in the Olympics? I'm fairly neutral about it, my general position is that more events good because I get to watch more Olympics, but it's annoying to see Phelps get talked up purely based on medal count when it's clearly easier to win eight medals as a swimmer than it is as a runner. (Phelps is a great, but I see his 8 as equivalent to Bolt's three and probably behind Lewis and Owens doing the long jump/sprint double) You seem to have a pretty strong view that they definitely belong so curious to hear your perspective.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Olympics Thread:
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There are way too many swimming events, now we have mixed relays? FFS.
Yeah this was a joke. Totally random. But it’s a good demonstration of why men and women compete separately. Farking Dressel nearly got there despite being miles behind.
Thought it was exciting as fuck
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@gt12 said in Olympics Thread:
There are way too many swimming events, now we have mixed relays? FFS.
Yeah this was a joke. Totally random. But it’s a good demonstration of why men and women compete separately. Farking Dressel nearly got there despite being miles behind.
Thought it was exciting as fuck
TacticsYeah I like mixed events too.
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There are way too many swimming events, now we have mixed relays? FFS.
Yeah this was a joke. Totally random. But it’s a good demonstration of why men and women compete separately. Farking Dressel nearly got there despite being miles behind.
Thought it was exciting as fuck
TacticsYeah I like mixed events too.
The mixed Triathlon was brilliant
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@antipodean said in Olympics Thread:
Here's an example:
Also
Decathlon (Men)
Heptathlon (Women)The fact that the 100m champions are lauded more than the Decathlon and Heptathlon champions has always baffled me
There is no better measure to determine who is the superior athlete
It’s the embodiment of the Olympic motto
Hendriatis Citius, Altius, Fortius – Communiter
Faster, Higher, Stronger - Together
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While I derided 3x3 basketball a few pages back as ompacised b-ball training.
Trampolining, which was a practice tool for gymnasts etc to learn twists, somersaults etc, has been a bloody great addition. Best of the last 20 years. (Same with the aerials in the winter Olympics).
Such good viewing. Skills with the added trepidation that it can all go so wrong.
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@rapido said in Olympics Thread:
While I derided 3x3 basketball a few pages back as ompacised b-ball training.
Trampolining, which was a practice tool for gymnasts etc to learn twists, somersaults etc, has been a bloody great addition. Best of the last 20 years. (Same with the aerials in the winter Olympics).
Such good viewing. Skills with the added trepidation that it can all go so wrong.
Aerials in the WO are the original Olympic ruination of freestyle. Won’t take long before half pipe and slopestyle and ruined with prescriptive judging as well.
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I think I am biased against Aikido, I just don't see it as an Olympic sport. Looks like high-legged toetickling with padding. Oh, I guess there is some social distancing value..
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On the swimming debate.
The problem isn't the 4 different strokes.
It is that they have 100, 200, and 400.
Too much athlete crossover.
There isnt much stroke crossover, except freestyle and butterfly, but it is not a given. Phelps was amazing. Freestyle, butterfly and medley. Amazing that he can win all them and hence his greatness.
The bitterness, is that he can do that over 2 almost identical distances per stroke. Where the stats show it is almost impossible not to double-medal.
Then relay over 2 almost identical distances. (no problem with both a freestyle and medley relay, but not a 4x100 and 4x200 for both)
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Yeah you’ve mentioned the Phelps thing before and it doesn’t help your argument. Another ridiculously stupid statement.
As I said last year: Phelps has won a single Olympic gold medal where he alone was the fastest over a distance: 200m freestyle. Paavo Nurmi and Carl Lewis are better Olympians.
If I recall correctly you also said that Bradbury’s achievement was greater than anything Phelps ever did. That’s easily the stupidest thing I’ve ever seen on TSF, although the argument that butterfly is equivalent to jogging comes close.
You didn't lose your lollies as much as I expected to that bait. Which surprised me. Butterfly is slower than freestyle over the same distance. So is jogging, Any other analogies I can assist you with?
This has to be a windup. You cant be that stupid.
Great rebuttal.
We're done here.Ok I’ll bite. Bear crawls, hopping on one leg and skipping are slower than running. Ergo they must be jogging right? What awesome logic.
You should probably stop posting if that's your grasp of the topic.
To make this easier for you: Jogging is slower than sprinting. So too is walking. That doesn't mean walking and jogging are the same thing.
That’s exactly what I’m saying. Now apply that to swimming. It’s really not so hard. You can do it.
I’ll make it even easier for you. Butterfly is slower than freestyle. Why? Because it’s a completely different farking stroke. Not because it’s just a slower freestyle. Comparing it to jogging is absolutely absurd.
You're either deliberately missing the point or really fucking stupid.
Delightful.
And accurate.
See above. Seriously man. How hard is it to understand? Butterfly and freestyle are not the equivalent to running and jogging. If you are still arguing that then you need your head examined.
Once again rancid demonstrates his complete ignorance of analogy and ignores the point.
Once again you lead with your face and instead of getting out while you can you double down on the stupid. Again a discussion with Antipodean has taken a turn for the surreal.
Everyone else has the cognitive ability to understand that the analogy for running events was to demonstrate that there's no abundance of medals for doing the same distance slower.
And anyone with a brain would realise that it’s a terrible analogy to compare different swimming strokes to jogging and running. That’s my issue. Seriously, how hard is that for you to understand?
I understand perfectly that you're busy flailing away at your own straw man.
What straw man? It’s really simple. Jogging is a terrible analogy. Yes butterfly is slower than freestyle but it is not the same as comparing jogging with running. Jogging is just the slower version of exactly the same thing, i.e. running. Butterfly is slower than freestyle but it’s an incredibly difficult stroke to master and is murder on the body. Again, comparing it to jogging is just simply ridiculous. A better analogy would be Olympic walking. I really don’t understand why this is so difficult for you to grasp.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Olympics Thread:
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Yeah you’ve mentioned the Phelps thing before and it doesn’t help your argument. Another ridiculously stupid statement.
As I said last year: Phelps has won a single Olympic gold medal where he alone was the fastest over a distance: 200m freestyle. Paavo Nurmi and Carl Lewis are better Olympians.
If I recall correctly you also said that Bradbury’s achievement was greater than anything Phelps ever did. That’s easily the stupidest thing I’ve ever seen on TSF, although the argument that butterfly is equivalent to jogging comes close.
You didn't lose your lollies as much as I expected to that bait. Which surprised me. Butterfly is slower than freestyle over the same distance. So is jogging, Any other analogies I can assist you with?
This has to be a windup. You cant be that stupid.
Great rebuttal.
We're done here.Ok I’ll bite. Bear crawls, hopping on one leg and skipping are slower than running. Ergo they must be jogging right? What awesome logic.
You should probably stop posting if that's your grasp of the topic.
To make this easier for you: Jogging is slower than sprinting. So too is walking. That doesn't mean walking and jogging are the same thing.
That’s exactly what I’m saying. Now apply that to swimming. It’s really not so hard. You can do it.
I’ll make it even easier for you. Butterfly is slower than freestyle. Why? Because it’s a completely different farking stroke. Not because it’s just a slower freestyle. Comparing it to jogging is absolutely absurd.
You're either deliberately missing the point or really fucking stupid.
Delightful.
And accurate.
See above. Seriously man. How hard is it to understand? Butterfly and freestyle are not the equivalent to running and jogging. If you are still arguing that then you need your head examined.
Once again rancid demonstrates his complete ignorance of analogy and ignores the point.
Once again you lead with your face and instead of getting out while you can you double down on the stupid. Again a discussion with Antipodean has taken a turn for the surreal.
Everyone else has the cognitive ability to understand that the analogy for running events was to demonstrate that there's no abundance of medals for doing the same distance slower.
And anyone with a brain would realise that it’s a terrible analogy to compare different swimming strokes to jogging and running. That’s my issue. Seriously, how hard is that for you to understand?
I think @antipodean's point is: why is the swimming equivalent of this an Olympic event?
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@mikethesnow said in Olympics Thread:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Olympics Thread:
@gt12 said in Olympics Thread:
There are way too many swimming events, now we have mixed relays? FFS.
Yeah this was a joke. Totally random. But it’s a good demonstration of why men and women compete separately. Farking Dressel nearly got there despite being miles behind.
Thought it was exciting as fuck
TacticsIt was awesome! Fun, exciting, confusing! I loved it!
No fucking way anyone should have won a medal from it though. It should be a bit of fun after the competitive stuff ends.
