Too many events at the Olympics?
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@voodoo said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
Why is that a good argument? Isn't the Olympics supposed to be the best of the best?
Exactly. And for a lot of them it's nothing like. Soccer, golf, basketball, baseball, tennis...
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@antipodean said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@voodoo said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
Why is that a good argument? Isn't the Olympics supposed to be the best of the best?
Exactly. And for a lot of them it's nothing like. Soccer, golf, basketball, baseball, tennis...
Sure. Doesn't mean that ruling professionals out is the answer. Most of these athletes are pros now
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@rotated said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
I don't understand why the 100m running would be an event in this new stripped down Olympics. It is just cycling but slower.
I dunno, from a standing start I’d back Usain Bolt
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@catogrande said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@rotated said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
I don't understand why the 100m running would be an event in this new stripped down Olympics. It is just cycling but slower.
I dunno, from a standing start I’d back Usain Bolt
True but it's no obvious that it would be over 100m. The metric system wasn't around in ancient Greece so it would need to be over some other arbitrary distance.
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@rotated said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@catogrande said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@rotated said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
I don't understand why the 100m running would be an event in this new stripped down Olympics. It is just cycling but slower.
I dunno, from a standing start I’d back Usain Bolt
True but it's no obvious that it would be over 100m. The metric system wasn't around in ancient Greece so it would need to be over some other arbitrary distance.
Look feller, you stated 100M. Now that your whole argument has been rubbished you can't go changing things based on obscure history.
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@catogrande said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@rotated said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@catogrande said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@rotated said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
I don't understand why the 100m running would be an event in this new stripped down Olympics. It is just cycling but slower.
I dunno, from a standing start I’d back Usain Bolt
True but it's no obvious that it would be over 100m. The metric system wasn't around in ancient Greece so it would need to be over some other arbitrary distance.
Look feller, you stated 100M. Now that your whole argument has been rubbished you can't go changing things based on obscure history.
I thought you knew how the Fern 'works'?
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@nostrildamus said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@catogrande said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@rotated said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@catogrande said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@rotated said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
I don't understand why the 100m running would be an event in this new stripped down Olympics. It is just cycling but slower.
I dunno, from a standing start I’d back Usain Bolt
True but it's no obvious that it would be over 100m. The metric system wasn't around in ancient Greece so it would need to be over some other arbitrary distance.
Look feller, you stated 100M. Now that your whole argument has been rubbished you can't go changing things based on obscure history.
I thought you knew how the Fern 'works'?
Point
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@gt12 said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@mariner4life said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
If the Olympics isn't the pinnacle fuck it off
That instantly rules out a lot
I think that’s why the Olympics should also reduce relays and other shit. It just helps the Rich (and same) countries.
Yeah cos Jamaica is the new Bermuda
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
Actually one sport that shouldn’t be there is men’s soccer. It’s the Olympics not a youth tournament. If the best players can’t be there then don’t have it.
I would replace Football in the Olympics with an elite five-aside competition. Baseball and Basketball should be removed.
Tennis and Golf shouldn't be in the Olympics either. The elite players would rather win a Grand Slam, the Davis Cup or the Ryder Cup than the Olympics.
An Olympic Gold Medal needs to be the pinnacle of an athlete's career.
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@kirwan said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
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Yeah you’ve mentioned the Phelps thing before and it doesn’t help your argument. Another ridiculously stupid statement.
As I said last year: Phelps has won a single Olympic gold medal where he alone was the fastest over a distance: 200m freestyle. Paavo Nurmi and Carl Lewis are better Olympians.
If I recall correctly you also said that Bradbury’s achievement was greater than anything Phelps ever did. That’s easily the stupidest thing I’ve ever seen on TSF, although the argument that butterfly is equivalent to jogging comes close.
You didn't lose your lollies as much as I expected to that bait. Which surprised me. Butterfly is slower than freestyle over the same distance. So is jogging, Any other analogies I can assist you with?
This has to be a windup. You cant be that stupid.
Great rebuttal.
We're done here.Ok I’ll bite. Bear crawls, hopping on one leg and skipping are slower than running. Ergo they must be jogging right? What awesome logic.
You should probably stop posting if that's your grasp of the topic.
To make this easier for you: Jogging is slower than sprinting. So too is walking. That doesn't mean walking and jogging are the same thing.
That’s exactly what I’m saying. Now apply that to swimming. It’s really not so hard. You can do it.
I’ll make it even easier for you. Butterfly is slower than freestyle. Why? Because it’s a completely different farking stroke. Not because it’s just a slower freestyle. Comparing it to jogging is absolutely absurd.
You're either deliberately missing the point or really fucking stupid.
Delightful.
And accurate.
See above. Seriously man. How hard is it to understand? Butterfly and freestyle are not the equivalent to running and jogging. If you are still arguing that then you need your head examined.
Once again rancid demonstrates his complete ignorance of analogy and ignores the point.
Once again you lead with your face and instead of getting out while you can you double down on the stupid. Again a discussion with Antipodean has taken a turn for the surreal.
Everyone else has the cognitive ability to understand that the analogy for running events was to demonstrate that there's no abundance of medals for doing the same distance slower.
And anyone with a brain would realise that it’s a terrible analogy to compare different swimming strokes to jogging and running. That’s my issue. Seriously, how hard is that for you to understand?
I understand perfectly that you're busy flailing away at your own straw man.
What straw man? It’s really simple. Jogging is a terrible analogy. Yes butterfly is slower than freestyle but it is not the same as comparing jogging with running.
It doesn't have to be the fucking same. No one but you is arguing butterfly is a technically difficult stroke and energy sapping. It's uncontested. That's your straw man. The point is same distance slower, hence why it was mentioned jogging the same distance instead of sprinting. Analogies don't have to match in every aspect, just the commonality.
What are you on about? Give up Black Knight. You’re absolutely beyond ridiculous now. I made myself very clear what I meant from the get go. There’s no strawman ffs. Get help.
A straw man is a form of argument and an informal fallacy of having the impression of refuting an argument, whereas the proper idea of the argument under discussion was not addressed or properly refuted. One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man".
Since I need to explain this:
- The proper idea was medals for doing the same distance slower.
- You didn't adddress this, instead argued that comparing "jogging" with "butterfly" was stupid.
It’s obvious to everyone but one poster.
Disagree.
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@nta said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@voodoo said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
And equestrian has a rich history, is huge overseas
It's "higher, faster, stronger"
No mention of "horser"
Lots of horseyness at the ancient Olympics.
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Was cycling part of the cull? I’m down with road racing but that velodrome stuff can be ditched. How many people have access to a velodrome and how many engage in that Kieran stuff? If swimming can be said to have silly events then surely cycling is up there to?
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@antipodean said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
Actually one sport that shouldn’t be there is men’s soccer. It’s the Olympics not a youth tournament. If the best players can’t be there then don’t have it.
There's a good argument that professionals shouldn't attend. If your sport has a professional league, bad luck.
Just to clarify. Is this for all sports or just soccer? If it’s all sports then I’m not sure that there is a single sport that would qualify as non-professional any more.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@antipodean said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
Actually one sport that shouldn’t be there is men’s soccer. It’s the Olympics not a youth tournament. If the best players can’t be there then don’t have it.
There's a good argument that professionals shouldn't attend. If your sport has a professional league, bad luck.
Just to clarify. Is this for all sports or just soccer? If it’s all sports then I’m not sure that there is a single sport that would qualify as non-professional any more.
Amateurism is all but dead, definitely at the top flight level in all sports these days
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@canefan said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@antipodean said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
Actually one sport that shouldn’t be there is men’s soccer. It’s the Olympics not a youth tournament. If the best players can’t be there then don’t have it.
There's a good argument that professionals shouldn't attend. If your sport has a professional league, bad luck.
Just to clarify. Is this for all sports or just soccer? If it’s all sports then I’m not sure that there is a single sport that would qualify as non-professional any more.
Amateurism is all but dead, definitely at the top flight level in all sports these days
Not so sure. High profile, absolutely - but archery, shooting, trampoline - there's a bunch there that won't be well funded at all. Semi pro is probably the descriptor (and I'd love to be proved wrong, but even Dame Val struggles to get funds)
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@nzzp said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@canefan said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@antipodean said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
Actually one sport that shouldn’t be there is men’s soccer. It’s the Olympics not a youth tournament. If the best players can’t be there then don’t have it.
There's a good argument that professionals shouldn't attend. If your sport has a professional league, bad luck.
Just to clarify. Is this for all sports or just soccer? If it’s all sports then I’m not sure that there is a single sport that would qualify as non-professional any more.
Amateurism is all but dead, definitely at the top flight level in all sports these days
Not so sure. High profile, absolutely - but archery, shooting, trampoline - there's a bunch there that won't be well funded at all. Semi pro is probably the descriptor (and I'd love to be proved wrong, but even Dame Val struggles to get funds)
Fair enough. Rowing also doesn't get a lot of money. If it wasn't for the AC the sailors probably don't get paid either. But as a TV spectacle I guess you can get to watch a variety of sports all at the same time. A bit like a sports telethon
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@canefan said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@nzzp said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@canefan said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@antipodean said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
Actually one sport that shouldn’t be there is men’s soccer. It’s the Olympics not a youth tournament. If the best players can’t be there then don’t have it.
There's a good argument that professionals shouldn't attend. If your sport has a professional league, bad luck.
Just to clarify. Is this for all sports or just soccer? If it’s all sports then I’m not sure that there is a single sport that would qualify as non-professional any more.
Amateurism is all but dead, definitely at the top flight level in all sports these days
Not so sure. High profile, absolutely - but archery, shooting, trampoline - there's a bunch there that won't be well funded at all. Semi pro is probably the descriptor (and I'd love to be proved wrong, but even Dame Val struggles to get funds)
Fair enough. Rowing also doesn't get a lot of money. If it wasn't for the AC the sailors probably don't get paid either. But as a TV spectacle I guess you can get to watch a variety of sports all at the same time. A bit like a sports telethon
the thing is, I'd watch the hell out of a commonwealth games that had proper boutique sports, that were teh absolute pinnacle.
Wood chopping
sheep shearing
dog trials
caber tossing
log rolling
fencing (the kind in paddocks)mate, it'd be sensational, have true spirit of competition, and a massive pissup afterwards. How fun
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@nzzp said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@canefan said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@antipodean said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
Actually one sport that shouldn’t be there is men’s soccer. It’s the Olympics not a youth tournament. If the best players can’t be there then don’t have it.
There's a good argument that professionals shouldn't attend. If your sport has a professional league, bad luck.
Just to clarify. Is this for all sports or just soccer? If it’s all sports then I’m not sure that there is a single sport that would qualify as non-professional any more.
Amateurism is all but dead, definitely at the top flight level in all sports these days
Not so sure. High profile, absolutely - but archery, shooting, trampoline - there's a bunch there that won't be well funded at all. Semi pro is probably the descriptor (and I'd love to be proved wrong, but even Dame Val struggles to get funds)
I guess it depends on the definition of amateur. Jesse Owens was immediately banned when he accepted endorsements. I know nothing of archery but I think it’s pretty huge in Korea and the best performers probably cash in.
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