Frizell assaults woman
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@toddy said in Frizell assaults woman:
Few references above to Fizell's playing ability but I'm not sure why that should matter. Punishment for a great and an average player should be the same imo for this kind of crime.
I totally agree. I was saying, even from a cynical point of view, not banning him for longer makes little sense.
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@kirwan said in Frizell assaults woman:
Can’t help but think he wouldn’t have got off so lightly if he wasn’t an All Black.
Not so sure. It's amazing how light sentences/punishments can be for everybody, even those with a decent amount of history.
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@crazy-horse said in Frizell assaults woman:
@kirwan said in Frizell assaults woman:
Can’t help but think he wouldn’t have got off so lightly if he wasn’t an All Black.
Not so sure. It's amazing how light sentences/punishments can be for everybody, even those with a decent amount of history.
That's actually even more depressing.
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@tim said in Frizell assaults woman:
Rugby: All Blacks door not shut on 'remorseful' Shannon Frizell, says coach Ian Foster as victim's mum hits out at sentence | Newshub
The 15-test loose forward has been suspended to face the Wallabies after an assault charge was given diversion.
Speaking to media on Thursday, All Blacks coach Foster made it clear that the door is by no means shut on Frizell's future in the black jersey, and that the 15-test loose forward is being supported through the process.
"It's been a tough time for him personally," Foster says.
"He's gone through a process, both with the courts and New Zealand. They've come up with a conclusion that, as far as we're concerned, he's shown a good attitude as [to] how he's dealt with that.
"I know he's incredibly remorseful for that, and it's not something that any of us want.
"We're just going to keep working with him, and support him. He's still a family member for us.
Better people make better All Blacks or something...
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well well well
can we finally get rid of that oh so fucking smug "better people make better All Blacks" bullshit they still try to peddle.
because it's very fucking clear that the only thing that matters is how well you can play. and you know what, a part of me actually respects that.
I keep waiting for the time that people stop worshipping people who happen to be good at sport. It's never going to happen.
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@mariner4life said in Frizell assaults woman:
well well well
can we finally get rid of that oh so fucking smug "better people make better All Blacks" bullshit they still try to peddle.
because it's very fucking clear that the only thing that matters is how well you can play. and you know what, a part of me actually respects that.
I keep waiting for the time that people stop worshipping people who happen to be good at sport. It's never going to happen.
It was in place in Henry's era, its why they never looked at Hika Reid for example.
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@kirwan said in Frizell assaults woman:
@mariner4life said in Frizell assaults woman:
well well well
can we finally get rid of that oh so fucking smug "better people make better All Blacks" bullshit they still try to peddle.
because it's very fucking clear that the only thing that matters is how well you can play. and you know what, a part of me actually respects that.
I keep waiting for the time that people stop worshipping people who happen to be good at sport. It's never going to happen.
It was in place in Henry's era, its why they never looked at Hika Reid for example.
Fuck Hika Reid played a looooot longer than i remember
I know it was. But it still seems to float around. And it makes them look like dicks every time a story like this comes out.
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@mariner4life said in Frizell assaults woman:
@kirwan said in Frizell assaults woman:
@mariner4life said in Frizell assaults woman:
well well well
can we finally get rid of that oh so fucking smug "better people make better All Blacks" bullshit they still try to peddle.
because it's very fucking clear that the only thing that matters is how well you can play. and you know what, a part of me actually respects that.
I keep waiting for the time that people stop worshipping people who happen to be good at sport. It's never going to happen.
It was in place in Henry's era, its why they never looked at Hika Reid for example.
Fuck Hika Reid played a looooot longer than i remember
I know it was. But it still seems to float around. And it makes them look like dicks every time a story like this comes out.
Ha, that was a fingers memory typo. Hika Elliot.
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@kirwan said in Frizell assaults woman:
@mariner4life said in Frizell assaults woman:
@kirwan said in Frizell assaults woman:
@mariner4life said in Frizell assaults woman:
well well well
can we finally get rid of that oh so fucking smug "better people make better All Blacks" bullshit they still try to peddle.
because it's very fucking clear that the only thing that matters is how well you can play. and you know what, a part of me actually respects that.
I keep waiting for the time that people stop worshipping people who happen to be good at sport. It's never going to happen.
It was in place in Henry's era, its why they never looked at Hika Reid for example.
Fuck Hika Reid played a looooot longer than i remember
I know it was. But it still seems to float around. And it makes them look like dicks every time a story like this comes out.
Ha, that was a fingers memory typo. Hika Elliot.
i know, but taking the piss was funnier than correcting.
The HB mafia will be along shortly.
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@mariner4life said in Frizell assaults woman:
@kirwan said in Frizell assaults woman:
@mariner4life said in Frizell assaults woman:
@kirwan said in Frizell assaults woman:
@mariner4life said in Frizell assaults woman:
well well well
can we finally get rid of that oh so fucking smug "better people make better All Blacks" bullshit they still try to peddle.
because it's very fucking clear that the only thing that matters is how well you can play. and you know what, a part of me actually respects that.
I keep waiting for the time that people stop worshipping people who happen to be good at sport. It's never going to happen.
It was in place in Henry's era, its why they never looked at Hika Reid for example.
Fuck Hika Reid played a looooot longer than i remember
I know it was. But it still seems to float around. And it makes them look like dicks every time a story like this comes out.
Ha, that was a fingers memory typo. Hika Elliot.
i know, but taking the piss was funnier than correcting.
The HB mafia will be along shortly.
I thought it was funny.
Don't think Hika did anything close to what Shannon did. Him and Ben T just got on the wrong side of the Cantab mafia running the ABs at the time.
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@tim said in Frizell assaults woman:
Yeah, I definitely think the media sat on this until the NZRU made a decision, and now it's a bigger story.
The Herald made a meal of it today. They ran the story in news headlines and an identical story in the sports pages a few pages later. Not the first time recently. Really plumbing the depths these days to fill up pages with so many rubbish opinion articles as well. That said the facts seem to be mounting against SF. But I would have thought that the responsible and pertinent headline would have been that NZRU has stood him down from the Bledisloe next week. But that would avoid the victim statement clickbait....
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@kirwan said in Frizell assaults woman:
@mariner4life said in Frizell assaults woman:
well well well
can we finally get rid of that oh so fucking smug "better people make better All Blacks" bullshit they still try to peddle.
because it's very fucking clear that the only thing that matters is how well you can play. and you know what, a part of me actually respects that.
I keep waiting for the time that people stop worshipping people who happen to be good at sport. It's never going to happen.
It was in place in Henry's era, its why they never looked at Hika Reid for example.
Ted also picked a Highlanders loose forward who had been before the courts on similar charges that were public.
Love Ted, but the no "no dickheads policy" is over egged. Who else was ever classified as a "dickhead" besides Hika (until injuries struck in 2010 and he ceased to be a dickhead for a couple of months)?
Weepu and Nonu managed to breach the Hurricanes no dickheads policy yet satisfy the All Blacks in the same season. Hore managed to be in the leadership group for the ABs and a dickhead at Super Rugby level simultaneously.
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@arhs said in Frizell assaults woman:
@tim said in Frizell assaults woman:
Yeah, I definitely think the media sat on this until the NZRU made a decision, and now it's a bigger story.
The Herald made a meal of it today. They ran the story in news headlines and an identical story in the sports pages a few pages later. Not the first time recently. Really plumbing the depths these days to fill up pages with so many rubbish opinion articles as well. That said the facts seem to be mounting against SF. But I would have thought that the responsible and pertinent headline would have been that NZRU has stood him down from the Bledisloe next week. But that would avoid the victim statement clickbait....
That headline would (should) lead to more discussion about how weak the punishment is, at least. It’s about 4-6 weeks off for punching in a game, but apparently only a week off for hitting a girl in a bar.
Plus of course, his need for support and nothing about loss of trust from the people who actually make sure the bills get paid.
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@rotated said in Frizell assaults woman:
Weepu and Nonu managed to breach the Hurricanes no dickheads policy yet satisfy the All Blacks in the same season. Hore managed to be in the leadership group for the ABs and a dickhead at Super Rugby level simultaneously.
Who judged them to be dickheads though?....The fern's favorite coach?
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@mariner4life said in Frizell assaults woman:
well well well
can we finally get rid of that oh so fucking smug "better people make better All Blacks" bullshit they still try to peddle.
because it's very fucking clear that the only thing that matters is how well you can play. and you know what, a part of me actually respects that.
I keep waiting for the time that people stop worshipping people who happen to be good at sport. It's never going to happen.
Has Foster and his team recently said that though?
Edit: Ok I saw the below and went, at least nepotism is alive and well.""It's been a tough time for him personally," Foster says.
"He's gone through a process, both with the courts and New Zealand. They've come up with a conclusion that, as far as we're concerned, he's shown a good attitude as [to] how he's dealt with that.
"I know he's incredibly remorseful for that, and it's not something that any of us want.
"We're just going to keep working with him, and support him. He's still a family member for us."
