Super Rugby 2022
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@chris he's always looked bigger than his weight suggests too, plenty of website stats are misleading (sometimes plain wrong)
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@kiwi_expat said in Super Rugby 2022:
Goodhue is 100kg, look on their website. McLeod 99kg, Ennor 94kg.
Again old stats before the 2021 season started,the players all bulk a little each season as long as it doesn't effect performance
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@chris said in Super Rugby 2022:
@kiwi_expat said in Super Rugby 2022:
Goodhue is 100kg, look on their website
No he is bigger now that is pre last season stats he's been doing some power up work.Help out his ACL he injured and quads.
Be good to see how well Goodhue comes back after a second major knee opp. I remember him playing wing for the U20's and was pretty pacy. Might be good idea to bulk up, focus on 12 and a power game.
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@taniwharugby said in Super Rugby 2022:
@chris he's always looked bigger than his weight suggests too, plenty of website stats are misleading (sometimes plain wrong)
Yep you could look on Wiki it would be different ,players change body mass to cover injuries etc to reinforce or prevent further injuries.
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@themojoman said in Super Rugby 2022:
@chris said in Super Rugby 2022:
@kiwi_expat said in Super Rugby 2022:
Goodhue is 100kg, look on their website
No he is bigger now that is pre last season stats he's been doing some power up work.Help out his ACL he injured and quads.
Be good to see how well Goodhue comes back after a second major knee opp. I remember him playing wing for the U20's and was pretty pacy. Might be good idea to bulk up, focus on 12 and a power game.
Thats is How I understand it,he is working on more power.Looks like March comeback for him.
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@kiwiwomble It will be interesting to see Havili for the Crusaders this season. His disappearance in Black looks as much like a coaching/strategy issue as anything. If the structures the All Black coaches want to play don't suit Havili then fine, but why select him in the first place? Just another unfortunate example of square pegs in round holes under Foster's vastly inferior structures. Why does Foster continue to select Havili over others when he doesn't have an effective strategy (that's based off his strengths) to properly utilize him?
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@themojoman which is what I think they were looking to do that year he played 12...his defence and work rate off the ball is top notch, not to mention being a smart player, if he can adapt to 12 better or get a yard of pace back, puts him right back in the frame.
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@kiwi_expat said in Super Rugby 2022:
@kiwiwomble It will be interesting to see Havili for the Crusaders this season. His disappearance in Black looks as much like a coaching/strategy issue as anything. If the structures the All Black coaches want to play don't suit Havili then fine, but why select him in the first place? Just another unfortunate example of square pegs in round holes under Foster's vastly inferior structures. Why does Foster continue to select Havili over others when he doesn't have an effective strategy (that's based off his strengths) to properly utilize him?
Because Foster has no idea how to Properly utilize him.Would be my answer.
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@chris i actually cut our midfielders a lot of slack as several games had SUPER slow ball, cant remember which game but there was one where TJ and BB were taking forever to get the ball out
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@kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby 2022:
@chris i actually cut our midfielders a lot of slack as several games had SUPER slow ball, cant remember which game but there was one where TJ and BB were taking forever to get the ball out
Have to agree the options were pretty limited for our MF, it looked like organised chaos inside them at times.
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@chris if you are getting slow ball, you are getting it behind the gain line, or going to be caught behind, and just has a knock on effect to the rest of the play, next pass may be rushed, or opposition loosies put more pressure, slowing it further allowing the defence to re-organise.
I think a fair few of our players are probably a bit light on confidence in thier game as well, which affects performance and decision making, execution of basics....this is where Fozzie needs to step up, maybe we need to simplfy things more, get some confidence and belief back in our boys...some of the old heads like Whitelock, Moody, Ardie, Smith etc know what they are capable of and working under pressure, but some of the players that have only been there the past 2 or 3 years have only known us struggling (relatively speaking)
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@taniwharugby said in Super Rugby 2022:
@chris if you are getting slow ball, you are getting it behind the gain line, or going to be caught behind, and just has a knock on effect to the rest of the play, next pass may be rushed, or opposition loosies put more pressure, slowing it further allowing the defence to re-organise.
I think a fair few of our players are probably a bit light on confidence in thier game as well, which affects performance and decision making, execution of basics....this is where Fozzie needs to step up, maybe we need to simplfy things more, get some confidence and belief back in our boys...some of the old heads like Whitelock, Moody, Ardie, Smith etc know what they are capable of and working under pressure, but some of the players that have only been there the past 2 or 3 years have only known us struggling (relatively speaking)
Very good points it seems the confidence is low,The belief I wonder if that is lack of buy in on the game plan and maybe the Coaching ?.
It just seems we are lost at times especially under pressure.
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@kiwimurph said in Super Rugby 2022:
Test defence by the likes of Boks, Ireland & France is a different animal to Super Rugby defence.
The Bledisloes were more similar style to Super which Havili looked fine in.
No bro, it's the systems.
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@african-monkey - Substitute those players for inferior ones and the likelihood Crusaders continue on a similar trajectory without them is still extremely high because of the resourceful & innovative systems and structures Razor has continually developed to keep themselves one step ahead of the curb.
Case in point, I remember one particularly match during that 2019 season where Razor had to rest his All Blacks, he selected a 2nd-string team with a forward pack of satisfactory toilers and a couple of journeymen & they still thrashed a full strength Hurricanes outfit 32-8 in Wellington.
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@kiwi_expat said in Super Rugby 2022:
@african-monkey - Substitute those players for inferior ones and the likelihood Crusaders continue on a similar trajectory without them is still extremely high because of the resourceful & innovative systems and structures Razor and his staff have continually developed to keep them one step ahead of the curb.
Case in point, I remember one particularly match during that 2019 season where Razor had to rest his All Blacks, he selected a 2nd-string team with a forward pack of satisfactory toilers and a couple of journeymen & they still thrashed a full strength Hurricanes outfit 32-8 in Wellington.
Yeah, It was awesome how he did that without Taylor, Scott Barrett, Whitelock, Todd, Read, Bower, Makalio, Strange, Taufua, Mo'unga, Bridge, Ennor, Crotty, Goodhue, Jordan, Havili and Reece.
Except all of them played that day, although those five minutes for Cameron at the end when he subbed off Mo'unga to give Cameron a run was really giving the toilers a go.
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@gt12 could've swore they had more players rested for that match, but my point still remains as there're many instances where Crusaders achieved similar results under Razor with significantly weakened match-day squads.
If a coach has effective structures in place wider squad members can be rotated into the starting line-up and slot into those systems fairly seamlessly (and how they are specifically utilized in context to a gameplan that maximizes the characteristics of the players at your disposal) therefore you shouldn't notice a significant drop in the team's performance. A pretty distinguishing feature of well coached sides. Eddie, Razor, Schmidt, Brown's sides come to mind. Foster does not come to mind, his Chiefs/All Blacks sides have been headless, disjointed & uncoordinated rabble, clearly less than the sum of their parts, with players hesitant & unsure of their roles...
At what stage are posters on here going to stop pinning the blame at various players, instead of acknowledging the main issue, Foster's inability to make the best use of the cattle at his disposal? Plenty of other coaches have succeeded when dealt much rougher hands. Foster isn't a proven maximizer of talent - he's a minimizer.
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@gt12 said in Super Rugby 2022:
@kiwi_expat said in Super Rugby 2022:
@african-monkey - Substitute those players for inferior ones and the likelihood Crusaders continue on a similar trajectory without them is still extremely high because of the resourceful & innovative systems and structures Razor and his staff have continually developed to keep them one step ahead of the curb.
Case in point, I remember one particularly match during that 2019 season where Razor had to rest his All Blacks, he selected a 2nd-string team with a forward pack of satisfactory toilers and a couple of journeymen & they still thrashed a full strength Hurricanes outfit 32-8 in Wellington.
Yeah, It was awesome how he did that without Taylor, Scott Barrett, Whitelock, Todd, Read, Bower, Makalio, Strange, Taufua, Mo'unga, Bridge, Ennor, Crotty, Goodhue, Jordan, Havili and Reece.
Except all of them played that day, although those five minutes for Cameron at the end when he subbed off Mo'unga to give Cameron a run was really giving the toilers a go.
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@kiwi_expat Geez, this is a major revelation. I thought it was simply that the Crusaders had an advantage with just two strong teams to draw from, while Chiefs and Hurricanes have to mould together combo's and squads from 4 weaker teams and fillers from outside. Interestingly, as you evidence, it is a different challenge between Super and International level.
I thought the biggest challenge for the AB's coaches might be moulding together the talents of 5 relatively strong super franchises, with varied game-plans and approaches. I mistakenly thought they may have been doing ok with this. But, perhaps you are right. It might be better for the NZ rugby public if we fire the existing National coaches and simply get represented by the Crusaders entire at international level, as they are so vastly better than everyone else in everything. It worked against Ireland in 2002 after all, the day Daryl Gibson was denied a starting spot by Jonah Lomu to keep the NZ rugby public happy.
