Article: The Original Rugby Championship - Six Nations 2016
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<p>This thread in the RugbyRefs forum <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.rugbyrefs.com/showthread.php?19622-Ongoing-fall-out-from-Marler-decision'>http://www.rugbyrefs.com/showthread.php?19622-Ongoing-fall-out-from-Marler-decision</a> has some further links etc that explain the situation better. </p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Crucial" data-cid="566772" data-time="1458760045">
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<p>It has been a massive mess from the start. First they tried to wave it away as banter, had to quickly backtrack on that, tried again to calm it all down but WR issued a please explain and have stepped in.</p>
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<p>The best path would have been to make him accountable straight away and issue a suspended sentence based on remorse and acceptance of the rapid apology. That way the message of it being unacceptable would have stuck.</p>
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<p>First off who is the 'they' that have passed it off as banter. Lee has said he accepts it as banter and the Gatland has said it was banter, subsequently backing down. Neither the England management or the 6N judiciary has suggested it was just banter.</p>
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<p>However, leaving that aside it could have been handled a lot better. The England management could have been more emphatic in their statement and so could the 6N. But the thing is that this is no big deal but it is being mad so. I realise that this will wise hackles in some quarters on here, but for anyone who does feel this way, I would refer you to the T20 thread where in several instances the Pakistani team have been referred to as Pakis with no-one batting an eyelid. Paki is seen as a pejorative term in most of the English speaking world. Pakistani is not.. Gyppo is seen as pejorative as is Pikey. Gypsy is not. Like Pakistani it is a statement of fact. I have little doubt that those on the T20 thread using the term Paki were not being pejorative and likewise I'm pretty sure Marler did mean it that way, but that is a meter of opinion, not fact.</p>
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<p>What next? You can't call someone a fat fluffybunny? Aussine bastard? Sheep shagger (applies to NZ, Aus, Wales and some of the better looking Scots).</p>
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<p>It's political madness gone correct.</p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Bones" data-cid="566806" data-time="1458769865">
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<p>Cato, paki is in no way offensive in NZ. You English are just loony. Kiwis just love an abbreviation.</p>
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<p>I did say most of the English speaking world and to be honest you lot are borderline in this area along with the seppos.</p>
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<p>Am I allowed to say seppos?</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Catogrande" data-cid="566807" data-time="1458770010"><p>I did say most of the English speaking world and to be honest you lot are borderline in this area along with the seppos.<br><br>
Am I allowed to say seppos?</p></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Bones" data-cid="566806" data-time="1458769865">
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<p>Cato, paki is in no way offensive in NZ. You English are just loony. Kiwis just love an abbreviation.</p>
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<p>N&&**er is no way offensive when some texans speak amongst each too I imagine.</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Hooroo" data-cid="566812" data-time="1458770366"><p>N&&**er is no way offensive when some texans speak amongst each too I imagine.</p></blockquote>
Well I'm not offended when Jamie Fox says it, if that's what you mean. Or did you think only whites can be from Texas? -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Bones" data-cid="566813" data-time="1458770592">
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<p>Well I'm not offended when Jamie Fox says it, if that's what you mean. Or did you think only whites can be from Texas?</p>
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<p>Well that's because you're a Kiwi and Kiwis just love an abbreviation. I understand that N&&**er is an abbreviation of "Hands where I can see 'em motherfucking N&&**er".</p>
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<p>Well according to the Detroit PD anyway.</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Catogrande" data-cid="566815" data-time="1458770836"><p>Well that's because you're a Kiwi and Kiwis just love and abbreviation. I understand that N&&**er is an abbreviation of "Hands where I can see 'em motherfucking N&&**er".<br><br>
Well according to the Detroit PD anyway.</p></blockquote>
Good whiskey? -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Bones" data-cid="566806" data-time="1458769865">
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<p>Cato, paki is in no way offensive in NZ. You English are just loony. Kiwis just love an abbreviation.</p>
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<p>Offensive to who?</p>
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<p>You the middle aged white male? or have you actually asked some Pakistanis if they find it offensive?</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Bones" data-cid="566816" data-time="1458771670">
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<p>Good whiskey?</p>
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<p>Righteous!</p> -
<p>Bloody limeys!</p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="SammyC" data-cid="566817" data-time="1458771926">
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<p>Offensive to who?</p>
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<p>You the middle aged white male? or have you actually asked some Pakistanis if they find it offensive?</p>
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<p> I got as far as asking a few but as soon s I used the word paki I got punched in the mouth.</p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="SammyC" data-cid="566817" data-time="1458771926"><p>Offensive to who?<br><br>
You the middle aged white male? or have you actually asked some Pakistanis if they find it offensive?</p></blockquote>
Hah, what the fuck? 30s is middle aged now? I don't think you've got much idea about my ethnicity either eh...<br><br>
I haven't asked, I just assumed if someone identifies as paki, they're probably not too offended by it. -
<p>Sorry Sammy, I totally got the wrong end of the stick re your post.</p>
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<p>As I think you did re Bones' post. :yes:</p> -
<p>do you say a 'bunch' of Fluffybunnys?</p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="SammyC" data-cid="566817" data-time="1458771926">
<p>Offensive to who?<br>
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You the middle aged white male? or have you actually asked some Pakistanis if they find it offensive?</p>
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I've not been in the habit of asking while in Pakistan. In the antipodes I couldn't care less.<br>
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<p>N&&**er is no way offensive when some texans speak amongst each too I imagine.</p>
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<br><p>I'm not sure they're analogous given the historical context in the USA. But as Al Sharpton said; <em>'If you call yourself the n-word, you can’t get mad when someone treats you like that.'</em></p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Catogrande" data-cid="566805" data-time="1458769498">
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<p>First off who is the 'they' that have passed it off as banter. Lee has said he accepts it as banter and the Gatland has said it was banter, subsequently backing down. Neither the England management or the 6N judiciary has suggested it was just banter.</p>
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<p>However, leaving that aside it could have been handled a lot better. The England management could have been more emphatic in their statement and so could the 6N. But the thing is that this is no big deal but it is being mad so. I realise that this will wise hackles in some quarters on here, but for anyone who does feel this way, I would refer you to the T20 thread where in several instances the Pakistani team have been referred to as Pakis with no-one batting an eyelid. Paki is seen as a pejorative term in most of the English speaking world. Pakistani is not.. Gyppo is seen as pejorative as is Pikey. Gypsy is not. Like Pakistani it is a statement of fact. I have little doubt that those on the T20 thread using the term Paki were not being pejorative and likewise I'm pretty sure Marler did mean it that way, but that is a meter of opinion, not fact.</p>
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<p>What next? You can't call someone a fat fluffybunny? Aussine bastard? Sheep shagger (applies to NZ, Aus, Wales and some of the better looking Scots).</p>
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<p>It's political madness gone correct.</p>
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<p>I think.</p>
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<p>I do agree to an extent, however put yourself in the role of WR and tasked with setting standards and defining abusive behaviour.</p>
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<p>Just where do you draw the line? You mention the use of 'Paki', which in NZ has little to no abuse intended. During the RWC I noticed that whenever a Tongan, Samoan or Fijian team was players they were referred to as 'South Sea Islanders' . Use that term in the wrong place at the wrong time and it could be taken as abuse.</p>
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<p>Trouble is we all live in different cultures and have different concepts of what is acceptable or not. We see endless stupid TV shows about travellers all titled 'Gypsy whatever' where the subjects seemingly have no problem being termed in that manner.</p>
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<p>WR have set the bar as 'acts or statements that are, or conduct that is, discriminatory by</p>
<p>reason of religion, race, sex, sexual orientation, disability, colour or<br>
national or ethnic origin;" and left it at that. Tread in this area and expect to be held account for it. You may have a good case and get off but just don't go there.</p>
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<p>So there you pommy git!</p>
