Hurricanes 2022
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@Stargazer said in Hurricanes 2022:
@nzzp Haha, if I were like that, I'd still be fuming over Cyril Brownlie's undeserved red card in 1925! We still won though!
not just won, we smoked them.
To be honest, we should be telling similar stories about Lions 2 in 2017. That last penalty still has me shaking my head, particularly given what happened the week after. Jumping to catch a pass and winning a penalty - we should be doing that all game, every week to hammer home how stupid it is.
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@nzzp said in Hurricanes 2022:
@Chris said in Hurricanes 2022:
@nzzp said in Hurricanes 2022:
@Chris they have, this season.
The last few years though, Whitelock and Taylor in particular have played virtually the whole campaign
I agree thats was true of previous seasons.
I can hold a grudge for years.
Hell, I'm still pissed at the ref for the Bob Deans try in 1905. We wuz robbed
I can understand that,I want to smack Carlos Spencer’s face every time I see it.
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@nzzp said in Hurricanes 2022:
@Chris-B said in Hurricanes 2022:
@nzzp said in Hurricanes 2022:
@NZbloke said in Hurricanes 2022:
@nzzp said in Hurricanes 2022:
@NZbloke said in Hurricanes 2022:
Resting ABs completely in matches is a nonsense...
except managing the mental and physical workload of ABs is one reason why we keep them here in NZ. We don't tend to run our players into the ground, which keeps them fresher and extends their career.
Playing ABs right through Super leaves them gassed for the internationals (Robertson, looking at you buddy)
Having them on the bench though isn't running them into the ground.
it is mentally.
Their rest weeks are away form the environment, refreshing and relaxing. Prepping for a game and sitting on the bench is less physcially demanding, but doesn't reduce training load or mentally refresh people.
I wonder what sports science would have to say about mental refreshment and everyone else's daily 9-5 grind, with 4 weeks of holidays per year?
That's the point though if it's a grind, it's not performing at your peak. People who get stale stop performing at the highest level. Still very good and solid, but missing the magic.
As mentioned though it's about getting the balance right of resting ABs through Super Rugby - Hansen was completely resting ABs which certainly played it's part in us leading into that last RWC where we performed poorly, we finished bottom of the Rugby Championship, then hardly fired a shot at the RWC... South Africa didn't go completely over the top resting their international players & won both the RC and the RWC.
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@NZbloke said in Hurricanes 2022:
@nzzp said in Hurricanes 2022:
@Chris-B said in Hurricanes 2022:
@nzzp said in Hurricanes 2022:
@NZbloke said in Hurricanes 2022:
@nzzp said in Hurricanes 2022:
@NZbloke said in Hurricanes 2022:
Resting ABs completely in matches is a nonsense...
except managing the mental and physical workload of ABs is one reason why we keep them here in NZ. We don't tend to run our players into the ground, which keeps them fresher and extends their career.
Playing ABs right through Super leaves them gassed for the internationals (Robertson, looking at you buddy)
Having them on the bench though isn't running them into the ground.
it is mentally.
Their rest weeks are away form the environment, refreshing and relaxing. Prepping for a game and sitting on the bench is less physcially demanding, but doesn't reduce training load or mentally refresh people.
I wonder what sports science would have to say about mental refreshment and everyone else's daily 9-5 grind, with 4 weeks of holidays per year?
That's the point though if it's a grind, it's not performing at your peak. People who get stale stop performing at the highest level. Still very good and solid, but missing the magic.
As mentioned though it's about getting the balance right of resting ABs through Super Rugby - Hansen was completely resting ABs which certainly played it's part in us leading into that last RWC where we performed poorly, we finished bottom of the Rugby Championship, then hardly fired a shot at the RWC... South Africa didn't go completely over the top resting their international players & won both the RC and the RWC.
you ... know we beat SA at the RWC 2019 right?
I don't agree with yoru argument. I think we rest players for two reasons; to freshen them for the internationals, and because it is part of the value proposition in NZ. Play here, centrlaly contracted, and you play what 12 Super (plus playoffs) 10-ish AB games, and a handful of NPC. That's a workload people can thrive on.
You can see where players play too much. It gets into the grind, they lose their ability to lift, and it's all a bit samey.
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Pre broadcast Kristina Sue mentioned Goosen was leaving, so looks like it's confirmed but not officially announced.
Not sure where he's going but definitely a loss. Can't remember him ever having a bad game.
Hope he's around for a final NPC season.
On another note, Sue actually asked Holland if he knows what his best 15 is since he keeps changing the team weekly. Was nice to hear a good question for a change!
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@foobaNZ said in Hurricanes 2022:
Pre broadcast Kristina Sue mentioned Goosen was leaving, so looks like it's confirmed but not officially announced.
Not sure where he's going but definitely a loss. Can't remember him ever having a bad game.
Hope he's around for a final NPC season.
On another note, Sue actually asked Holland if he knows what his best 15 is since he keeps changing the team weekly. Was nice to hear a good question for a change!
What did Holland say?
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50 players for the Canes so far in 2022
9 Hookers:
Dane Coles added his name to a long list that also includes Asafo Aumua, James O’Reilly, Jacob Devery, Siua Maile, Raymond Tuputupu, Kianu Kereru-Symes, Bruce Kauika-Peterson and Leni Apisai -
@nzzp said in Hurricanes 2022:
@NZbloke said in Hurricanes 2022:
@nzzp said in Hurricanes 2022:
@Chris-B said in Hurricanes 2022:
@nzzp said in Hurricanes 2022:
@NZbloke said in Hurricanes 2022:
@nzzp said in Hurricanes 2022:
@NZbloke said in Hurricanes 2022:
Resting ABs completely in matches is a nonsense...
except managing the mental and physical workload of ABs is one reason why we keep them here in NZ. We don't tend to run our players into the ground, which keeps them fresher and extends their career.
Playing ABs right through Super leaves them gassed for the internationals (Robertson, looking at you buddy)
Having them on the bench though isn't running them into the ground.
it is mentally.
Their rest weeks are away form the environment, refreshing and relaxing. Prepping for a game and sitting on the bench is less physcially demanding, but doesn't reduce training load or mentally refresh people.
I wonder what sports science would have to say about mental refreshment and everyone else's daily 9-5 grind, with 4 weeks of holidays per year?
That's the point though if it's a grind, it's not performing at your peak. People who get stale stop performing at the highest level. Still very good and solid, but missing the magic.
As mentioned though it's about getting the balance right of resting ABs through Super Rugby - Hansen was completely resting ABs which certainly played it's part in us leading into that last RWC where we performed poorly, we finished bottom of the Rugby Championship, then hardly fired a shot at the RWC... South Africa didn't go completely over the top resting their international players & won both the RC and the RWC.
you ... know we beat SA at the RWC 2019 right?
I don't agree with yoru argument. I think we rest players for two reasons; to freshen them for the internationals, and because it is part of the value proposition in NZ. Play here, centrlaly contracted, and you play what 12 Super (plus playoffs) 10-ish AB games, and a handful of NPC. That's a workload people can thrive on.
You can see where players play too much. It gets into the grind, they lose their ability to lift, and it's all a bit samey.
Boks won the 2019 RWC though beating the poms by 20points in the final.
Yeah, agree that players can play too much, reckon resting them for whole matches isn't the solution - as mentioned put the ABs on the bench & lessen their work load at practice leading up to a match through the week... also after an end of year tour to the UK the ABs have at least 6 weeks off or more until they start playing Super rugby.
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@Stargazer are you at the Canes Under 20s vs HB XV game happening now?
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@Canes4life I wish, but no.
Edit: for @Number-10, @Higgins and others who may be able to go:
The Hurricanes Under 20 team is playing an unidentified Hawkes Bay XV team (I assume that's mostly our Academy team and some Magpies).
Kick-off is at 6:00pm at the Hawke's Bay Rugby High Performance Centre (3 Orotu Drive, Parklands).
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@Canes4life Looking at the Magpies' instagram/FB, the Canes U20s are playing the Hawke's Bay Academy squad and some wider, WTG members, minus the players who are in the Hurricanes U20s (Flanders, Godfrey etc). Our first five seems to be Hoera Stephenson (the Magpies page has him kicking at goal in the "stories").
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Full time:
Hawke's Bay XV 31 - 14 Hurricanes U20
There are some short clips on the Magpies FB/instagram stories:
https://www.instagram.com/hbmagpies/
https://www.facebook.com/stories/1473244852753543/?view_single=true
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@Stargazer @canes4life Sorry I was unable to make it there either, domestic duties prevent that and I have two times later this week requiring relief from them so not worth even considering requesting for tonight's game, even if I had known about it!
Here is a bit about the match I have discovered in the HBToday
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@stargazer @canes4life
This is about the only thing I can locate about the game and even then it was only posted online at 1.30pm today!The squad named for the Monday-night match, was: Alex Philip (Havelock North), Aloese Aiolupotea (Taradale), Bryson Ioane (Hastings R&S), Damien Scott (Tech OB), Dylan Holman (Central), Frank Lochore (Central), Hame Lauaki (MAC), Hemaua Samasoni (Taradale, Hoera Stephenson (Aotea), Hugh Taylor (Pirate), Iakopo Mapu (Taradale), Isaac Bracewell (Havelock North), Jayden Rihia (Hastings R&S), Jayden Stock (Tech OB), Jessie Lesa-Sipaia (Hastings R&S), Jimi Harris (Tamatea), John Ika (MAC), Jonty Stewart (Napier OBM), Josh Combs (Taradale), Kere Penitito (Napier OBM), Lewis Bush (Tech OB), Maika Fehoko (MAC), Majella Tufuga (Taradale), Mefiposeti Tupou (MAC), Meni Manase (MAC), Nik Patumaka (Tech OB), Paoraian Manuel-Harman (Napier OBM), Sam Smith (Havelock North), Solomone Fono (MAC), Tipene Meihana (Pirate), Troy McIvor (Tech OB), Tupou Ma'afu Afungia (MAC), Xavier McCorkindale (Tech OB).Seven players from MAC there which looks to be a good reward for the guys doing all the hard work for that Club, long may that continue.
Magpie hopefuls see off Hurricanes
