Worst Rugby crowd you've been part of
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@mariner4life said in Worst Rugby crowd you've been part of:
Worst crowd is the SFS especially on a friday night. Private School investment banker piston wristed gibbons in sports coats, RM Williams, chequered shirts and a scarf whinging at the ref half interestedly as the Waratahs again fail to deliver.
Good god yes, this. Sydney rugby crowds are absolutely awful. Comparing them to the league crowds, it was hard to believe you were at the same park.
Only time I enjoyed them was HK in 2010 when Aus beat us.
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@canefan I think I mentioned this at the time but at the Bledisloe in Perth in 2019 a lot of Wallaby fans didn’t don their Wallaby scarves and beanies until it looked like they might have a chance of winning the game. We sat in a section surrounded by all black fans and by end of match reckon it was 50.50 yellow and black supporter gear
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@nevorian said in Worst Rugby crowd you've been part of:
@canefan I think I mentioned this at the time but at the Bledisloe in Perth in 2019 a lot of Wallaby fans didn’t don their Wallaby scarves and beanies until it looked like they might have a chance of winning the game. We sat in a section surrounded by all black fans and by end of match reckon it was 50.50 yellow and black supporter gear
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Iloggan Park down in Cornwall. Known universally as Hooligan Park. Always a punch up with quite often the “supporters” piling in too.
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Twickenham around 2005-ish. England v AB's. Racist abuse being chucked around from England "supporters" & directed at Pasifika AB's. Pretty vile stuff. Wasn't just me either, my accountant heard similar stuff at the same game.
Thankfully, that sort of stuff seems to have been weeded out by the RFU
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@victor-meldrew said in Worst Rugby crowd you've been part of:
Twickenham around 2005-ish. England v AB's. Racist abuse being chucked around from England "supporters" & directed at Pasifika AB's. Pretty vile stuff. Wasn't just me either, my accountant heard similar stuff at the same game.
Thankfully, that sort of stuff seems to have been weeded out by the RFU
That does not sound typical of a Twickenham crowd and I've been going there for years now. Likely due to the period, just after RWC win, loads of dis-satisfied bandwagon jumpers on corporate jollies would be my guess. Sounds pretty unpleasant.
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@catogrande said in Worst Rugby crowd you've been part of:
@victor-meldrew said in Worst Rugby crowd you've been part of:
Twickenham around 2005-ish. England v AB's. Racist abuse being chucked around from England "supporters" & directed at Pasifika AB's. Pretty vile stuff. Wasn't just me either, my accountant heard similar stuff at the same game.
Thankfully, that sort of stuff seems to have been weeded out by the RFU
That does not sound typical of a Twickenham crowd and I've been going there for years now. Likely due to the period, just after RWC win, loads of dis-satisfied bandwagon jumpers on corporate jollies would be my guess. Sounds pretty unpleasant.
Depending on you define racism, it's still prevalent.
Old Racism - oppression of people due to their race.
New Racism - claiming polynesian players shouldn't play for NZ.Been a long time since heard / read the former, but much less since the latter. 2018 Twicks mate heard the same old shit.
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Hmmm. I don’t really see the NZ/Polynesian thing as being a racist POV. I’d say that is more a dog in the manger attitude to NZ’s success over the years and the view that they poach players who just happen to be brown skinned. It still comes from ignorance of the wider diaspora but I don’t see it as being racially motivated in the perjorative sense.
Mind you I haven’t had to listen with gritted teeth all these years.
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@catogrande said in Worst Rugby crowd you've been part of:
Hmmm. I don’t really see the NZ/Polynesian thing as being a racist POV. I’d say that is more a dog in the manger attitude to NZ’s success over the years and the view that they poach players who just happen to be brown skinned. It still comes from ignorance of the wider diaspora but I don’t see it as being racially motivated in the perjorative sense.
Mind you I haven’t had to listen with gritted teeth all these years.
It's probably not out and out racism but it still is borderline racist, i.e. "you've got brown skin therefore you can't do x / can only do y". Similar to the "bigotry of low expectations", but more sinister. Obviously, also ignores all the Polynesians playing rugby for England or the Asians and Afro-Carribeans playing other sports for England
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@catogrande it’s white people saying brown people shouldn’t play for the country they were raised snd often born in.
Same standards never been applied to foreign born white people in NZ rugby teams.
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From experience of having had similar views myself in the past in regard to poaching I would say it is not about brown skin per se, more that it is an obvious point of difference and therefore more noticeable. Certainly not you've got brown skin therefore you can't do x / can only do y, but very much "NZ should not be doing X". Most of the UK guys that I've had discussions with about poaching have not centred on the colour of anyone's skin as a rationale, more that "NZ are poachers, pillaging the islands for talent" viewpoint. Once you understand that NZ has a high number of PI origin people living there, raised there and born there, then that POV difference becomes null and void. Of course there are still people that will never consider otherwise but these, to me are very much a minority. I do not doubt that the poaching thing still gets dragged up and will do for sometime yet, but I do not see it as racist.
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@majorrage said in Worst Rugby crowd you've been part of:
@catogrande it’s white people saying brown people shouldn’t play for the country they were raised snd often born in.>
The issue here has usually been that those highlighted facts were not understood or believed.
Same standards never been applied to foreign born white people in NZ rugby teams.
Believe you me, there were when John Gallagher was tearing it up for you guys from full back and when we were crying out for a centre with the skills of Jamie Salmon. Bloody poaching bastards!
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@catogrande said in Worst Rugby crowd you've been part of:
@victor-meldrew said in Worst Rugby crowd you've been part of:
Twickenham around 2005-ish. England v AB's. Racist abuse being chucked around from England "supporters" & directed at Pasifika AB's. Pretty vile stuff. Wasn't just me either, my accountant heard similar stuff at the same game.
Thankfully, that sort of stuff seems to have been weeded out by the RFU
That does not sound typical of a Twickenham crowd and I've been going there for years now. Likely due to the period, just after RWC win, loads of dis-satisfied bandwagon jumpers on corporate jollies would be my guess. Sounds pretty unpleasant.
Monkey chants and "kill the samoan c**t".
Think you're right on it being the type of fan, the period and the Lions 2005 tour. A maori AB (Pat Walsh?, Waka Nathan?) also mentioned he'd suffered racial abuse when attending Twickenham as did Aaron Mauger around that time. Utterly different when I attended the IRB Sevens there.
Came to head when Nigel Owens complained in 2014. All credit to the RFU in stamping it out
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@catogrande said in Worst Rugby crowd you've been part of:
Hmmm. I don’t really see the NZ/Polynesian thing as being a racist POV. I’d say that is more a dog in the manger attitude to NZ’s success over the years and the view that they poach players who just happen to be brown skinned. It still comes from ignorance of the wider diaspora but I don’t see it as being racially motivated in the perjorative sense.
Mind you I haven’t had to listen with gritted teeth all these years.
Agree with much of that but I've been to more than a few dinner parties in the Home Counties where the skin colour of NZ players was def. the problem sadly, not where they were born.
The reactions when they twigged I was a Kiwi were quite fun though.
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@catogrande to be honest I don’t get too hung up about it. It’s generally as you say, rationalizing why nz is good, as opposed to being genuinely racist.
However, if the Uk has taught me one thing, it’s that all conversations around non whites are based on racism.
Thus, it’s clearly racism.
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Phew! You’re painting with a very broad brush there my friend.
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Don't really have one tbh, went to the Zoo at Forsyth Barr in 2016 as a Chiefs fan and got some abuse and shit thrown at me but there was a few of us so we did the same back, but that was just a bit of fun as we were all minced. One dumb student from Auckland pissed me off, kept on getting right in my face so I grabbed his flag and biffed it then he started hurling homophobic shit at me which I wasn't having and he felt quite awkward after we all called him out. Same thing happened in 2017, didn't go to the Zoo but after the Chiefs won all the freshers got on my face and we're like ah fuck the Chiefs and all that despite the fact the Chiefs beat the Landers and kept them tryless.
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@catogrande said in Worst Rugby crowd you've been part of:
@majorrage said in Worst Rugby crowd you've been part of:
@catogrande it’s white people saying brown people shouldn’t play for the country they were raised snd often born in.>
The issue here has usually been that those highlighted facts were not understood or believed.
Same standards never been applied to foreign born white people in NZ rugby teams.
Believe you me, there were when John Gallagher was tearing it up for you guys from full back and when we were crying out for a centre with the skills of Jamie Salmon. Bloody poaching bastards!
We're in the Asia-Pacific region, so Salmon was just returning to his home area.
