Hurricanes v Rebels
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@canes4life said in Hurricanes v Rebels:
@bones how laboured were his passes though. Definitely hope we don’t see him again. We looked so much more efficient when Roigard came on.
I think your bitterness toward your coaches and their selections is clouding your viewing. Roigard did bring impetus but it was from running not passing.
JTs game last night reminded me a lot of the way TJP plays for you. Not the sharpest passer but always filling the hole next to the ruck on defence and looks to be close to the ball on attack.
I'm not trying to talk him up as some kind of second coming, his next game could well be very average but I really don't think he deserved the scorn he was getting on the thread last night. Show me when he wasn't right there at the breakdown? Only time anyone else had to fill in was when he was the carrier.
As I said the irony was that for all the crying about using players out of position (and I totally agree with that regarding Leger) you are now calling for a 10 to play 9 when you haven't got a 10.
These Canes game threads are really funny. Just about every player that gets called shit (including Blackwell) then has a period of really good play to throw egg at your faces.
The problem with the Canes isn't so much the players it is the coordination between them.
They were rabble last night and won by 20. Seems a pass mark.
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@crucial what I saw was someone out of their depth, his decision making was off the mark and he seemed to take a lifetime to get the ball out. He looks like a NPC player at best, especially when you compare him to a top level halfback like A Smith in the game afterwards.
Like I said further up the thread it was a piss poor performance from the Canes and it wasn’t just Taumateine. Kirifi had a shocker, Coles was poor, Leger is not a 10, Prinsep / Blackwell were back to their usual selves and Proctor had a game to forget.
Let’s hope all of Love, Perenara, Savea, IWL, Rayasi, PUJ, Evans and Aumua make a return to the starting team soon because we look like an average NPC team without them.
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@canes4life said in Hurricanes v Rebels:
@crucial what I saw was someone out of their depth, his decision making was off the mark and he seemed to take a lifetime to get the ball out. He looks like a NPC player at best, especially when you compare him to a top level halfback like A Smith in the game afterwards.
Like I said further up the thread it was a piss poor performance from the Canes and it wasn’t just Taumateine. Kirifi had a shocker, Coles was poor, Leger is not a 10, Prinsep / Blackwell were back to their usual selves and Proctor had a game to forget.
Let’s hope all of Love, Perenara, Savea, IWL, Rayasi, PUJ, Evans and Aumua make a return to the starting team soon because we look like an average NPC team without them.
Comparing halfbacks to A Smith is a futile exercise. As a gauge of what is best he fits the bill. As a gauge of what is good he is streets ahead.
JTs clearance last night was no better or worse than most of the halves in this comp and that's what I was getting at. I have seen much worse. If his clearance was a 'lifetime' you should consider yourself lucky that you aren't a Blues fan.
I usually saw him ready as soon as the ball was available . The ruck wasn't waiting for him. I never saw him look around once there (he was noticeably doing his talking and option viewing on the way to the breakdown and he didn't fuck around setting up snakes or rubbish for box kicks.
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I think the comments about JT being shit are harsh too. Like @Crucial is suggesting, he seemed no worse than most of the other half backs (excluding Smith of course). Damned with faint praise I know, but that is the current situation in NZ unfortunately.
Sure Roigard looked good when he came on, but a lot of half-backs do. Just ask Crusader fans.
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@canes4life said in [Hurricanes v Rebels](/post/579388
Proctor had a game to forget.As much as it pains me to praise him I thought Proctor played well.
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@ploughboy said in Hurricanes v Rebels:
roigard is a 9 has hardly played 10
He's a 6 foot tall skinny ball player that was selected at provincial level as a 10.
I do agree that he has more schoolboy experience as a 9 though.
You don't know, maybe the coaches will see some light and give him a crack at 10. He can't be worse than Leger. After all they insisted that Love was a back three option only until their hand was forced.
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@mikey07 said in Hurricanes v Rebels:
@bones it’s not his passing it’s the speed at which he clears it’s too slow other then that I thought he had a good game.
I'd say he seems to lack strength to fire the pass out like Aaron does. They seemed slow and droopy. And he's like every other halfback in New Zealand that struggles with accuracy.
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@ploughboy said in Hurricanes v Rebels:
@crucial
has he even played first class rugby at first 5
i think his profile at counties was a mistake wiki says halfback .
more than happy to be wrong but i have followed his career a little bitNo. It does seem to be me that is 'wrong'. I just recall that when he joined CM there was talk that he was selected as a 10 prospect that can play both 9 and 10.
However I can only find one real reference to him playing 10 and that was when his school shifted him there to get more game reading experience.
He certainly looks more like a 10. 6ft tall lanky 9s aren't that common and it's his running/sniping that seems to be his strength. -
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@duluth said in Hurricanes v Rebels:
@canefan said in Hurricanes v Rebels:
I'm sure it's been covered before, but what was with those Rebels uniforms? Looked like a rugby league uni
The V is for Victoria. I think there some history of other Victorian teams using that
Looked like a poor man's Storm uni
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@Canes4life @mikey07 I get the feeling your preconceived ideas colour your judgement, like @Crucial says.
After the chat during the week from you I was expecting to tune in and see a halfback out of their league and of no use to a run of the mill super team, instead I see a performance better than any Campbell has put in this season.
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@gt12 said in Hurricanes v Rebels:
I'm way in the minority here but I thought it looked good. Simpler and better than the over-designed regular jersey, even if it is a bit leaguey.
I thought it looked fine, but was fun to make Storm jokes at the time.
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@bones preconceived ideas have nothing to do with it. It was a below average performance from the Canes last night, let’s not let the bonus point win cloud our judgement here. As I’ve said earlier in the thread Taumateine was one of many that didn’t perform up to the standard you’d expect from a NZ side.
Just take the first twenty minutes for example, we had about 6 cracks at the Rebels inside the 22 and came away with nothing. Surely you’d expect us to score points from that pressure? We lacked patience, we lacked simple skill execution and we lacked any sort of smarts to capitalise on that possession.
Anyway it was a shit performance and I hope JT, Leger and a few other players don’t get contract extensions because frankly I don’t want us becoming the centre of mediocrity as many on here have obviously become accustomed to. I just expect better is all, nothing wrong with that from where I’m sitting.
