Super Rugby Trans Tasman
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@antipodean said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@derpus said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@antipodean i don't think that really holds up. We've been playing NZ more than anyone and we are worse than ever in the pro era.
Imagine how bad they'd be if they weren't?
It's not being beaten that's reducing skills in Australia. It's the incompetent administration.
Agreed. AU rugby has suffered in spite of NZ competition, not because of.
Take the scrum for example, imagine what would happen against France if their only opponents had been themselves? Carnage.
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@crucial said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
I could find easily a dozen examples during the game of players on the wrong side that weren’t penalised
Go on then. Is it as easily as Tiatia scores tries?
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@barbarian said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@antipodean said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
It's not being beaten that's reducing skills in Australia. It's the incompetent administration.
Well that and the massive offshore talent drain, coupled with the increasing competition for young talent from other codes.
Australia isn't alone in facing those problems.
But to be honest I wouldn't read too much into the last round of games. Sure we're a step below the Kiwis, but I actually would argue we might be closer across the board than we were 3-4 years ago.
I certainly hope so. It would be disastrous if Australian rugby had regressed from 2017 levels. The expectation is that the Australian teams have reset their knowledge of the standard required to compete and the schedule evens out.
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@antipodean said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@barbarian said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@antipodean said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
It's not being beaten that's reducing skills in Australia. It's the incompetent administration.
Well that and the massive offshore talent drain, coupled with the increasing competition for young talent from other codes.
Australia isn't alone in facing those problems.
That's true, but I'd argue they face a unique set of circumstances with the landscape in Australian sport. The competition from AFL being a central part of that, as is the relative dominance of rugby league.
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@barbarian said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@antipodean said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@barbarian said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@antipodean said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
It's not being beaten that's reducing skills in Australia. It's the incompetent administration.
Well that and the massive offshore talent drain, coupled with the increasing competition for young talent from other codes.
Australia isn't alone in facing those problems.
That's true, but I'd argue they face a unique set of circumstances with the landscape in Australian sport. The competition from AFL being a central part of that, as is the relative dominance of rugby league.
Even then the population of NSW and QLD easily outstrips NZ, which gets raided by the NRL for talent.
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@barbarian said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
That's true, but I'd argue they face a unique set of circumstances with the landscape in Australian sport. The competition from AFL being a central part of that, as is the relative dominance of rugby league.
<<<Insert rant about RA's complete neglect of Western Sydney here>>>
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@antipodean said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@barbarian said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@antipodean said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@barbarian said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@antipodean said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
It's not being beaten that's reducing skills in Australia. It's the incompetent administration.
Well that and the massive offshore talent drain, coupled with the increasing competition for young talent from other codes.
Australia isn't alone in facing those problems.
That's true, but I'd argue they face a unique set of circumstances with the landscape in Australian sport. The competition from AFL being a central part of that, as is the relative dominance of rugby league.
Even then the population of NSW and QLD easily outstrips NZ, which gets raided by the NRL for talent.
Yeah I know, as I said before everyone faces the problem to a varying extent. And I'm not just comparing to NZ here.
But rugby is in the ascendancy in NZ, and it's just not over here. That's a pretty big pull factor to have if you're a young player.
Obviously there are many other reasons why things are the way they are now, but competition for young talent is one factor.
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@bones said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@crucial said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
I could find easily a dozen examples during the game of players on the wrong side that weren’t penalised
Go on then. Is it as easily as Tiatia scores tries?
Do you want circles or arrows?
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@crucial said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@bones said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@crucial said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
I could find easily a dozen examples during the game of players on the wrong side that weren’t penalised
Go on then. Is it as easily as Tiatia scores tries?
Do you want circles or arrows?
Probably doesn't matter as long as it spells CHIEFS RULZ
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@machpants said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
Worth a flutter on the brumbies
Who sets these odds? The Chiefs often struggle against the Brumbies and lost to them in Hamilton last year. I'll be at the game but the Chiefs will need to play their A game to win.
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Surprised the force so high after last week.
Bet of the week is on the Blues...
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You guys realise these are betting odds designed to make the TAB money, right?
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@bones what kind of business plan is that?
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@bones said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@crucial said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@bones said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@crucial said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
I could find easily a dozen examples during the game of players on the wrong side that weren’t penalised
Go on then. Is it as easily as Tiatia scores tries?
Do you want circles or arrows?
Probably doesn't matter as long as it spells CHIEFS RULZ
Or Canes, or whoever he’s supporting this week.
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@bones said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
You guys realise these are betting odds designed to make the TAB money, right?
Check the Australian odds.
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@taniwharugby said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
I'm hopeless at betting but if I wasn't I'd be looking at the Farce and Brumbles
Edit: typing issues were typing on the phone, ... @Bones
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@bones said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@booboo I'll take back my like now, the previous edition was a thing of beauty.
I'm sober... promise
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Officials for Rd 2.
Hurricanes v Rebels
Friday 21 May, 7:05pm
Sky Stadium, Wellington
Referee: Graham Cooper - who?
Assistant 1: Paul Williams
Assistant 2: Angus Mabey
TMO: Mike FraserForce v Highlanders
Friday 21 May, 9:45pm
HBF Park, Perth
Referee: Nic Berry
Assistant 1: Amy Perrett
Assistant 2: Reuben Keane
TMO: James LeckieBlues v Waratahs
Saturday 22 May, 4:35pm
Eden Park, Auckland
Referee: Brendon Pickerill
Assistant 1: Angus Mabey
Assistant 2: Lauren Jenner
TMO: Shane McDermottChiefs v Brumbies
Saturday 22 May, 7:05pm
FMG Stadium, Waikato
Referee: Ben O’Keeffe
Assistant 1: Paul Williams
Assistant 2: Dan Waenga
TMO: Aaron PatersonReds v Crusaders
Saturday 22 May, 9:45pm
Suncorp Stadium, Brisbane
Referee: Mike Fraser
Assistant 1: Damon Murphy
Assistant 2: Jordan Way
TMO: Brett Cronan - the same TMO as the Force-Chiefs game -
even a multi of 4 kiwi teams and the Brumbies pays less than $6
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Berry gets rewarded with a top of the table clash.
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@bones said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
Berry gets rewarded with a top of the table clash.
And yet Amy Perrett can't get a gig. Astonishing.
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@antipodean she changed her name to Graham Cooper so she could get paid the same as the other refs.
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@bones lol after the Waratahs try where he blatantly impeded the Canes from tackling the ball carrier, I’m surprised he’s even reffing this week. That was also after an obvious crooked throw aswell which made it even more sceptical.
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I mean, it's been decades and some people still think I'm deadly serious. Baffling.
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@canes4life said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@bones lol after the Waratahs try where he blatantly impeded the Canes from tackling the ball carrier, I’m surprised he’s even reffing this week. That was also after an obvious crooked throw aswell which made it even more sceptical.
Side note on that - can a TMO rule on a crooked throw? It's the touchie's call rather than the ref, but on replay that throw was clearly bent enough to be called back.
I'm less worried about the ref obstruction, his positioning was fine and if an All Black did it he'd be lauded for an intelligent play. Aaron Smith has been doing it for decades.
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@barbarian said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
Aaron Smith has been doing it for decades.
I think the difference is that Smith isn't named as the ref, despite being in charge of the game.
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ok, i have a feeling this is a loaded question
IF, we are committed to strickly a Trans Ta$man / Pacific comp....does that change anyones opinion on allowing AB qualified players playing for Aussie/PI teams?
Theyre not lost to NZ fans, still playing in the same comp, but might distribute a little of the talent, make this thing more competitive, maybe still have to be signed with a NZ NPC team
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@kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
ok, i have a feeling this is a loaded question
IF, we are committed to strickly a Trans Ta$man / Pacific comp....does that change anyones opinion on allowing AB qualified players playing for Aussie/PI teams?
Theyre not lost to NZ fans, still playing in the same comp, but might distribute a little of the talent, make this thing more competitive, maybe still have to be signed with a NZ NPC team
Why would you entrust the development of potential future All Blacks to the coaching and administration that's overseen their current malaise?
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@antipodean i was more meaning established ones, ones that might actually make a real difference to the aussie teams
Personally i'm starting to think the total control of the development of all players is hindering things a little, i just want to watch some interesting rugby and i watch a lot more SR and NPC than AB's so id like them to be better
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@kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
ok, i have a feeling this is a loaded question
IF, we are committed to strickly a Trans Ta$man / Pacific comp....does that change anyones opinion on allowing AB qualified players playing for Aussie/PI teams?
Theyre not lost to NZ fans, still playing in the same comp, but might distribute a little of the talent, make this thing more competitive, maybe still have to be signed with a NZ NPC team
I'd be ok if Japan was involved somehow, and you had to be a senior All Black to "earn" the dispensation. But Aussies are already struggling with depth, playing NZ players wouldn't help that and we would just end up with NZers playing for Australia.
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@kirwan dont get me wrong, im not 100% for it, just kind in of in my head
the way i see it is more long term, a few NZ players help to make the aussie teams a bit more competitive and then, assuming AU was run properly, they use that to grow the profile and get more young players in
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@kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby Trans Ta$man:
@kirwan dont get me wrong, im not 100% for it, just kind in of in my head
the way i see it is more long term, a few NZ players help to make the aussie teams a bit more competitive and then, assuming AU was run properly, they use that to grow the profile and get more young players in
It's worth exploring but probably needs some open thinking to be worthwhile. It may be a case that in order to get past the problems we have with isolation and stregth disparity that the franchise concept needs to be taken further to a controlled club like system where the best coaches and players aren't restricted by country.
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@crucial agreed, i really wish NZR had spent more time making the franchises more attractive as far as outside investment and left the AB's alone, they way there running things the AB's are the only thing people think is worth anything and really limits things
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