Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final
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@nzzp We've got in my reckoning now a 2-3 year window with an elite group of batsmen and bowlers at the peak of their powers, a handful of up and comers and one all-time great who is hanging in there, in which we can potentially dominate world Cricket starting with the WTC final.
We've never had an opportunity afforded to us such as this and I hope these guys can make the absolute most of it. Next step - as I don't care about T20 cricket - is the 2023 ODI WC. We could still be able to call on this entire group - aside from Watling who doesn't feature in the short forms anyway - as Rosco has previously said he's keen to get there. Add in the short form artillery in Guppy,Seifert, Chapman, Phillips, Sodhi, Ferguson , Milne, Neesh and maybe Finn Allen and things are still looking really rosy. But beyond 2023 we'll be in decline I reckon with Taylor gone, Boult, Wagner, Henry and Southee past their peaks and question marks over others' longevity.
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@siam said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@nzzp John Buchanan ( shudder tremor coma)
ha ha yeah. Lordy, we shot ourselves in the foot. Compared to the Martin Snedden era, we were shocking.
Also, watching replay at the moment -- this English crowd is simply outstanding ... just boisterous and noisy all day. Well done to them. Test cricket is a long way from dead
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@nzzp said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@shark what we've got which I can't ever recall is a domestic comp that is throwing up quality players consistently. It's really important - the horror days of the 'biomechanics' era are well and truly gone. And (shudder) Andy Moles...
One idle thought that may or may not be true in stats... it seems to me that when "biomechanics" was talked about in every second article about cricket, pace bowlers were getting stress fractures by the dozen. Even Dan Vettori from memory.
Now we hardly hear the term and injuries seem to be more 'normal', if there's such a thing. Now maybe that's because all the pace bowlers have got biomechanics right, or....?
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@donsteppa said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Now we hardly hear the term and injuries seem to be more 'normal', if there's such a thing. Now maybe that's because all the pace bowlers have got biomechanics right, or....?
In theory, theory and practice are the same.
Maybe, just maybe, if an action feels 'right' for a bowler, it's OK biomechanically? I mean, there are arguments for tweaking natural actions, but some of the root and branch resetting that went on was horrific.
I feel for Corey Anderson and Jacob Oram - both outstanding allrounders who just never got an extended run at the game.
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@shark said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@crucial said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
I’m still flabbergasted a spinner took not one but TWO fucken wickets !?!?!
Careful. Satnav has had three-fers on three occasions.
However he is also 3/337 over his last 8 innings.That's a three-for.
Depends on your accent
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@nzzp said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@shark what we've got which I can't ever recall is a domestic comp that is throwing up quality players consistently. It's really important - the horror days of the 'biomechanics' era are well and truly gone. And (shudder) Andy Moles...
I don't think it's by virtue of the domestic comp. We're enjoying a golden era in terms of resources for sure, but it's a probably a purple patch in player production.
Remember the core of this test team and the all-time greats contingent - Latham, Williamson, Taylor, Watling, Boult, Southee, plus Guptill in the ODI team - has been around for 10 years or more.
Remove them from the equation, plus Conway who was largely a finished product before arriving, and you don't have many guaranteed first-stringers developed by the domestic comps of late at all.
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@shark said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@nzzp said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@shark what we've got which I can't ever recall is a domestic comp that is throwing up quality players consistently. It's really important - the horror days of the 'biomechanics' era are well and truly gone. And (shudder) Andy Moles...
I don't think it's by virtue of the domestic comp. We're enjoying a golden era in terms of resources for sure, but it's a probably a purple patch in player production.
Fair enough - but do Conway, Blundell and Young slot in without decent competition below? Or Mitchell, Patel, Rachindra? And in the shorter form, Seifert, Santner, CDG, Munro, Sodhi, etc.
I suppose the thing that I see is that first class performance is far more closely correlated with International performance than it was - you saw players carving it up at FC level, but not stepping up. We're seeing far more performance transferred... hence my comment
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@nzzp that points to good domestic coaching. lot's of the recent success stories are guys who have been supported with their natural game. Tweaks and refinements are light years away from trying to rebuild a bowling action or batting approach.
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@canefan said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Apparently Conway had over 20 inside edges at Lord's. He has already had 2 here. Riding his luck at the moment trying not to chop on. The last one he played a little away from his body after cashing in with a number of off drives
I'd rather he was getting inside edges than outer edges as that means he is covering the line of the ball well. It's not analogous to facing Imran or the two Ws where Marty would play for inswing only. And Conway does tend to have a bat plane closer to the line of his pads than wafting outside his eyeline.
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Really tough on Young to get out in the last over, feel bad for him. Though he got a hell of a chance early on - that drop from Root was an absolute sitter.
Rosco really battled eh. One thing he did well was to continue to play down the line instead of going at the moving ball. A lot of the times he was beaten he was playing inside the line of the ball which means he's unlikely to edge it. Would be amazing if he could kick on though, an in-form Rosco would be golden to us in the final.
Conway really threw his wicket away - he should be absolutely spewing at that, threw away another ton. He's a real class act though, mentally has what it takes at the top level.
Looking forward to the first session tonight.
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@no-quarter as an older bugger, we all have moments in sport when the brain knows how to play, but the body simply doesn't get the memos. I'd love an insight to Rossco's internal monologue during that innings🙂.
Jesus christ 3 years ago I'd have a ton by teatime against these pie chuckers 😁.
Hope it all clicks today but props for the commitment yesterday. Anybody remember Ponting's last 4 innings?
As for Devon, that shot has served him well over the years, not least last week. Watch with interest if he keeps it in his repertoire. I remember when Steve Waugh put away his pull or hook shot.
