Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final
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@rotated said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
I'm disappointed that England did not take the bait, but I don't blame them.
A lot of the criticism in England is as much about the entertainment aspect as anything. It might be smarter to bat for a draw but why would anyone watch that?
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@rotated said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@majorrage said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@rotated said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
I don't get the criticism of England here. You have to play the cards you are dealt and that England batting order is very inexperienced and four guys were sitting on a pair. With Butler and Stokes fair enough, but here it would have been a fools errand - our strong suit against their weakest.
Isn't sport about winning?
So what was the point of Kane even doing a declaration.
It was piss poor by England, showing absolutely no guts or ticker from supposedly one of the games top echelon of teams. Pathetic.
I don't think anyone is saying with Stokes and Butler out that this is a top echelon team? In a combined team we would take Root - and then have a long argument about the seam attack.
If they aren’t a top echelon team then why are they, along with India and Oz the self elected global co ordinaries. Why do they play 4/5 match series and then give us only 2?
If England had have got off to a flier and been 80/0 after 15 overs I'm pretty sure the drawbridge would have come up real quick and it would have been negative stuff from Wagner to secure the draw - so lets not get too holier than thou on this one.
Sorry what? Holier than thou on your guess of a scenario? That doesn’t make sense. Reverse situation I’d be equally hard on Kane.
Along the same lines if Kane was so gung ho about winning they could have been more aggressive with their approach and batting order in the first hour.
Um, we were ahead. So we got to dictate the game. We then offered them a chance to go for it - sporting. They elected to not take it.
I'm disappointed that England did not take the bait, but I don't blame them.
Well who else are you going to blame then?
What’s the point on having courageous captains if one of the top teams, at the home of cricket, on a beautiful English summers day, is going to elect to play boring to safety.
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@majorrage said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
If they aren’t a top echelon team then why are they, along with India and Oz the self elected global co ordinaries. Why do they play 4/5 match series and then give us only 2?
I don't think the geopolitics of cricket played much a role in Root's decision. He likely looked at his batting order and thought that they weren't up for it.
If w e played that game as scheduled without our IPL contingent (Williamson, Conway, Jaimeson & obviously Boult still) I sure wouldn't be saying "well we are the number one side in the world we should be throwing our weight around here"
Sorry what? Holier than thou on your guess of a scenario? That doesn’t make sense. Reverse situation I’d be equally hard on Kane.
The point is Kane wasn't going to attack against all logic and common sense. If England started to sniff it you would have blamed Kane if he stopped going for the win and started to play for the draw? I guess we can blame him for offering the draw early too - especially with a bowler in the side capable of taking five first class wickets in six balls. He denied us one of the great test cricket collapses in history.
Um, we were ahead. So we got to dictate the game. We then offered them a chance to go for it - sporting. They elected to not take it.
Exactly - we offered the declaration on our terms and they said no thanks. We could have made an even more sporting declaration if we batted more aggressively and they may have taken it.
Well who else are you going to blame then?
What’s the point on having courageous captains if one of the top teams, at the home of cricket, on a beautiful English summers day, is going to elect to play boring to safety.
I would blame losing a full day to rain.
I thought it was a smart declaration, but hardly courageous (but definitely more ballsy than most test captains in the past thirty years). I don't see any way that batting order gets those runs without our bowlers having a mare. Even if England got off to a good start we would have been well placed to dry up the runs and I don't see any batsman there who could have forced the issue like a Stokes or Butler.
I guess we will agree to disagree on this one.
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this is the face of a middle aged accountant who is in training to finish an Iron Man
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@mariner4life said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
this is the face of a middle aged accountant who is in training to finish an Iron Man
Or the one who does a lot of ecstasy on his weekends off
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@mariner4life very well done. Self deprecating humour always rocks!😉. I feel sure you would've chased down 4 an over!
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@mariner4life said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
this is the face of a middle aged accountant who is in training to finish an Iron Man
You mean you?
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@pakman said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Does anyone here think a SINGLE fan would have declined to watch England at Edgbaston if Robinson was playing?
I would doubt it very much. The whole thing has now escalated with the culture secretary and then Boris suggesting (quite rightly IMO) that the suspension is totally over the top. The trouble is this has now given the whole issue a new set of wings and more people are weighing into it. The suspension has been handed down, just let it lie and allow Robinson to get on with his life and his career.
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@pakman said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
A second non-compliant English cricketing twit has been uncovered..,
Doesn't Kane Williamson have an embarrassing social media post from when he was like 13 years old? Not of the racist or sexist variety.
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@snowy said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
I've had so little interest that I don't even know what he said. It was years ago, he has shown remorse.
What a load of bollocks. Somebody will probably shame me in a decade or so for saying bollocks on a public forum, but they can get fucked.
You're right but you should see some of the sanctimonnious bollocks that has been spouted by people such as Michael Vaughan, Aggers and Mark Ramprakash with Vaughan suggesting that Robinson needs to be re-educated. What a good idea, perhaps we could have some camps built specially for this purpose.
Oh and the irony of punishing someone on inclusivity grounds by non-inclusion.
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@catogrande said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
What a good idea, perhaps we could have some camps built specially for this purpose.
Oh and the irony of punishing someone on inclusivity grounds by non-inclusion.That's what I was getting at. It's all so pathetic that I haven't read it.
I shouldn't laugh about re education camps, but will admit to a snigger.
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@catogrande said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
You should see some of the sanctimonnious bollocks that has been spouted by people such as Michael Vaughan, Aggers and Mark Ramprakash with Vaughan suggesting that Robinson needs to be re-educated. What a good idea, perhaps we could have some camps built specially for this purpose.
Where was this? Listening to TMS Vaughn's position seemed to be that in the current climate some penance has to be paid publicly just to end the issue - but he didn't think a suspension for something a decade ago was warranted. His main criticism was of the England media management who he believes should have vetted his social media when he was selected. Maybe he changed his views.
Agnew seemed to be steering clear of the issue - likely still on a good behaviour bond at the BBC after giving Jonathan Liew a talking to.
