Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final
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If we were to start a thread on shameful umpiring decisions it would rival Test Ignore and probably break the Internet.
I remember in the 80's Wisden did some analysis of LBW's and NZ was the only country where the visiting team's % out LBW was lower than it was in their home country and lower than NZ's.
Every other country there was a clear advantage to the home team. Some of which could be explained e.g. sub-continent players beater at coping with spin but the article was a leading part of Wisden's campaign for neutral umps.
I think they decided NZ umpires had an unconscious bias that favoured visiting teams because our umpires expected overseas players to be better than ours.
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@dogmeat said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
If we were to start a thread on shameful umpiring decisions it would rival Test Ignore and probably break the Internet.
I remember in the 80's Wisden did some analysis of LBW's and NZ was the only country where the visiting team's % out LBW was lower than it was in their home country and lower than NZ's.
Every other country there was a clear advantage to the home team. Some of which could be explained e.g. sub-continent players beater at coping with spin but the article was a leading part of Wisden's campaign for neutral umps.
I think they decided NZ umpires had an unconscious bias that favoured visiting teams because our umpires expected overseas players to be better than ours.
Pakistan would have been a country when you were visiting you simply wouldn’t allow the ball to hit your pads. I suspect you could have been a foot outside off stump got an inside edge onto your pads and still given out.
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@booboo said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@chris-b said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 Yeah - thought you'd remember the incident.
Dick's name is ingrained in my memory - along with Ian Robinson of Zimbabwe!
Gillespie giving Cairns to Parore down leg.
And was he Waugh to Parore off Vettori as well?
Waugh and Gillespie - there might have been another, as well.
Sometimes it's not so much the decision as the timing of the decision in the context of the match.
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@chris-b said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@booboo said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@chris-b said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 Yeah - thought you'd remember the incident.
Dick's name is ingrained in my memory - along with Ian Robinson of Zimbabwe!
Gillespie giving Cairns to Parore down leg.
And was he Waugh to Parore off Vettori as well?
Waugh and Gillespie - there might have been another, as well.
Sometimes it's not so much the decision as the timing of the decision in the context of the match.
In this day and age and with the technology they have at their disposal I don’t think it’s too much to expect pretty much flawless officiating.
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@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@chris-b said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@booboo said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@chris-b said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 Yeah - thought you'd remember the incident.
Dick's name is ingrained in my memory - along with Ian Robinson of Zimbabwe!
Gillespie giving Cairns to Parore down leg.
And was he Waugh to Parore off Vettori as well?
Waugh and Gillespie - there might have been another, as well.
Sometimes it's not so much the decision as the timing of the decision in the context of the match.
In this day and age and with the technology they have at their disposal I don’t think it’s too much to expect pretty much flawless officiating.
At least you can't blame home town bias. (Umpires Cronin and Weber... looking for short runs ... Snedden ... Chappell ... underarm...)
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@dogmeat said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
If we were to start a thread on shameful umpiring decisions it would rival Test Ignore and probably break the Internet.
I remember in the 80's Wisden did some analysis of LBW's and NZ was the only country where the visiting team's % out LBW was lower than it was in their home country and lower than NZ's.
Every other country there was a clear advantage to the home team. Some of which could be explained e.g. sub-continent players beater at coping with spin but the article was a leading part of Wisden's campaign for neutral umps.
I think they decided NZ umpires had an unconscious bias that favoured visiting teams because our umpires expected overseas players to be better than ours.
That might be the most classically kiwi tall poppy thing I have ever heard of
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@booboo said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@chris-b said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 Yeah - thought you'd remember the incident.
Dick's name is ingrained in my memory - along with Ian Robinson of Zimbabwe!
Gillespie giving Cairns to Parore down leg.
And was he Waugh to Parore off Vettori as well?
Wasn’t it Steve Randall and Darrell Hair in that match?
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@junior said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@booboo said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@chris-b said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 Yeah - thought you'd remember the incident.
Dick's name is ingrained in my memory - along with Ian Robinson of Zimbabwe!
Gillespie giving Cairns to Parore down leg.
And was he Waugh to Parore off Vettori as well?
Wasn’t it Steve Randall and Darrell Hair in that match?
Half right: Hair and Robinson
AUS vs NZ Cricket Scorecard, 3rd Test at Perth, November 30 - December 04, 2001
Get cricket scorecard of 3rd Test, AUS vs NZ, New Zealand tour of Australia 2001/02 at Western Australia Cricket Association Ground, Perth dated November 30 - December 04, 2001.
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@booboo said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@chris-b said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@booboo said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@chris-b said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 Yeah - thought you'd remember the incident.
Dick's name is ingrained in my memory - along with Ian Robinson of Zimbabwe!
Gillespie giving Cairns to Parore down leg.
And was he Waugh to Parore off Vettori as well?
Waugh and Gillespie - there might have been another, as well.
Sometimes it's not so much the decision as the timing of the decision in the context of the match.
In this day and age and with the technology they have at their disposal I don’t think it’s too much to expect pretty much flawless officiating.
At least you can't blame home town bias. (Umpires Cronin and Weber... looking for short runs ... Snedden ... Chappell ... underarm...)
'that mark could have come from anywhere'
Oh how a modern drs would have been a godsend for us
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@snowy said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@nzzp said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
'that mark could have come from anywhere'
That was Llong wasn't it? I always read that like he has a stutter.
That was DRS too wasn't it? Didn't help much there.
Sure was DRS. That's why it was so unforgivable... And my point is the modern DRS would get a very different conclusion.
Llong I recall as well, I think you're right
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@nzzp said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Sure was DRS. That's why it was so unforgivable... And my point is the modern DRS would get a very different conclusion.
Yeah, but we always get done on the way through like with the Voges "no-ball" dismissal in Adelaide.
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Yesterday was the 2 year Anniversary where we were blind robbed in the ODI WC Final.
Some consolation winning the WTC.
Its nice seeing the bulk of the cricketing world agree we were robbed too, so many comments from fans all over the world saying it should have either been shared or won by us.Still hurts tho.
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@virgil said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Yesterday was the 2 year Anniversary where we were blind robbed in the ODI WC Final.
Some consolation winning the WTC.
Its nice seeing the bulk of the cricketing world agree we were robbed too, so many comments from fans all over the world saying it should have either been shared or won by us.Still hurts tho.
More than some…..I’d take the test championship over winning the pyjama tournament any day that ends in a Y.
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@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@virgil said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Yesterday was the 2 year Anniversary where we were blind robbed in the ODI WC Final.
Some consolation winning the WTC.
Its nice seeing the bulk of the cricketing world agree we were robbed too, so many comments from fans all over the world saying it should have either been shared or won by us.Still hurts tho.
More than some…..I’d take the test championship over winning the pyjama tournament any day that ends in a Y.
we should have both.
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@virgil said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@virgil said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Yesterday was the 2 year Anniversary where we were blind robbed in the ODI WC Final.
Some consolation winning the WTC.
Its nice seeing the bulk of the cricketing world agree we were robbed too, so many comments from fans all over the world saying it should have either been shared or won by us.Still hurts tho.
More than some…..I’d take the test championship over winning the pyjama tournament any day that ends in a Y.
we should have both.
Well the match was technically a tie and unfortunately NZ got the shit end of the stick with the way it was decided.
So yeah, saying we “should” have the ODI tournament as well makes you sound like an English Football fan.
We convincingly won the format that matters most.
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@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@virgil said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@virgil said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Yesterday was the 2 year Anniversary where we were blind robbed in the ODI WC Final.
Some consolation winning the WTC.
Its nice seeing the bulk of the cricketing world agree we were robbed too, so many comments from fans all over the world saying it should have either been shared or won by us.Still hurts tho.
More than some…..I’d take the test championship over winning the pyjama tournament any day that ends in a Y.
we should have both.
Well the match was technically a tie and unfortunately NZ got the shit end of the stick with the way it was decided.
So yeah, saying we “should” have the ODI tournament as well makes you sound like an English Football fan.
We convincingly won the format that matters most.
The match wasn't a tie. Despite all of the technology available England were gifted an extra run for ridiculous overthrows that deflected off Stokes bat. The utterly absurd rule to decide the game on number of boundaries hit was just salt in the wound. Both the umpires and the ICC made an absolute hash of that, and brought the game into disrepute on the biggest stage. For them to wank on about it being the "greatest game ever" is just nonsense. It could have been the greatest game if they didn't completely fuck it up.
The WTC does nothing to change any of that. We should by rights be both ODI and Test champions right now.
