Klitschko, Fury, Parker, Takam & Joshua
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<p>Thanks mtm. My knowledge of boxing is limited to the fact that there are two blokes trying to hit each other. But I've jumped the bandwagon :).<br><br>
You mention Whyte as a potential opponent but I can't see him on that list?</p>
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<p>Whyte is unranked in most divisions, I think he'd struggle to be a current top 40 fighter but I see the UK media shaping a Whyte vs Parker fight already. Meaning Hern would of organized Whyte to be interviewed and on SKY tv UK trashing parker for a potential November showdown introducing Parker to the British public. Whyte is fresh in the public's mind due to his recent ko loss at the hands of Joshua. And id dare say he has a fight left for PPV on his contract with Hern</p> -
Good post M T M , <br><br>
I was worried about this fight before , was aware of Joes defensive flaws , and wasn't sure about his chin . <br><br>
What was concerns me , we know about joes power , but when he unleashes those powerful combos , it really does empty his tank , that was not a concern against the lesser fighters . <br><br>
But Takam showed the better fighters won't drop as easy . And if Joe paces himself to go the distance he becomes a less intimidating prospect , there is a balancing act somewhere for them to work out . -
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<p>Yeah big lessons to be learnt from that passage where he unleashed on Takam and Takam didn't go do down but instead managed to throw a couple back. How is Joshua's chin? Would he have withstood that?</p>
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<p>He got rocked very easily in round 2 against Dillan Whyte, the only time someone has thrown a punch back at him. Unfortunately for Whyte he was too slow to realise and Joshua got away with it. </p> -
<p>some interesting callers on Talkback this morning...some saying it was fixed, some saying Takam shoulda won and some obviously thinking it went to JP as the scores did.</p>
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<p>Apparently Lonergan is gonna look at legal action against illegal streams of the fight, upto 20,000 people watched via 1 apparently</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="taniwharugby" data-cid="581528" data-time="1463877773"><p>some interesting callers on Talkback this morning...some saying it was fixed, some saying Takam shoulda won and some obviously thinking it went to JP</p></blockquote>
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Talkback eh. There's always someone trying to make themselves feel important by putting the boot in. <br><br>
It was a hard fight and Joe was always going to get the crowd influencing the judges to an extent. Takam probably the guy taking the biggest risk thinking he could KO Parker when his record doesn't have him KOing anyone of ability. -
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<p>some interesting callers on Talkback this morning...some saying it was fixed, some saying Takam shoulda won and some obviously thinking it went to JP as the scores did.</p>
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<p>Apparently Lonergan is gonna look at legal action against illegal streams of the fight, upto 20,000 people watched via 1 apparently</p>
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<p>Parker certainly won the fight 115 - 113 in my eyes - it was close and Takam really should of taken him out of there with his experience, Parkers heart said different. Problem is Takam looked the much better fighter from the 5th round on. What people didnt pick up though was Takams tank was also empty, though he paced himself a lot better than Parker did.<br><br>
Soon as your fighter is shown on major UK or USA tv Lonergan you will never be able to stop the free streams. Obviously they didnt make as much as they thought they were going to from PPV. $49.99 is quite expensive when compare to other prime boxers PPV.</p> -
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<p>He got rocked very easily in round 2 against Dillan Whyte, the only time someone has thrown a punch back at him. Unfortunately for Whyte he was too slow to realise and Joshua got away with it. </p>
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<p>Great post mtm, safe to say you're something of an authority on the sweet science.</p>
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<p>Pretty amusing hearing Lonegan get all shitty and say he's coming after those who streamed illegally. I think Lonegan is a typical loudmouth dick as someone said earlier but the point he makes are quite vaild. There'll be a few nerds shitting bricks about being caught cos apparently it's quite easy to track via the decoder.</p>
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<p>Parker came through the test extremely well and showed Stamina and a chin that some may have doubted earlier on.</p> -
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Parker certainly won the fight 115 - 113 in my eyes - it was close and Takam really should of taken him out of there with his experience, Parkers heart said different. Problem is Takam looked the much better fighter from the 5th round on. What people didnt pick up though was Takams tank was also empty, though he paced himself a lot better than Parker did.<br><br>
Soon as your fighter is shown on major UK or USA tv Lonergan you will never be able to stop the free streams. Obviously they didnt make as much as they thought they were going to from PPV. $49.99 is quite expensive when compare to other prime boxers PPV.</p></blockquote>
It wasn't just streams of the broadcast either. It was people simply cell phoning the game live to Facebook and periscope. <br><br>
$50 is way too much for me to dish out on an event that could potentially be over in minutes.<br>
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<p>- This was not a highlight reels fight for Parker. Takam was manhandling Parker several times during the fight, it was so bad that if Takam had the power of a Haye, Joshua, Wilder or Ortiz im utterly convince Parker would of been knocked out.</p>
<p>- Parkers defense under pressure was horrid, he would be exposed by higher ranked fighters. He made it to the end of the fight due to Takam not having ko power in his hands and Parker having a decent enough chin. But make no mistake, Parker allowed himself to take to many shots because he was so tired. Against a boxer like Ortiz, Haye, Wilder and AJ this would of been a KO loss.</p>
<p>- Parker was throwing many slap shots with his right hand, most landing with the inside of his glove, thats horrible and amateur level stuff.</p>
<p>- Parker does not have the punching power we though he had. It was missing and dare say while his hand speed is close to the best in the heaveyweight division his power has been overated.</p>
<p>- Parker looked disorganised, as soon as he was gassed, most structure went out the window, and unto a late 2nd wind at the end parker was gettibg by on heart alone and a chin that could take what Takam threw.</p>
<p>- Parker is always open to counters, to being crowded and hustled and his footwork poor.</p>
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<p>Great post and I agree with all of this. I wonder if Barry's coaching is at top level? Because Parker seems to have the athleticism and work ethic..</p>
<p>I also wondered about his upper cut..Takam has a solid head but the way he pushed his chin forward and protected the sides with his hands up high I thought an upper cut or two in the later rounds might be interesting?</p>
<p>But overall yes a lack of power from Parker at this level, and not keeping his distance and using his superior reach showed he still has some way to go.</p> -
I don't watch much boxing but one question I have is if Joshua is only 16-0 and has not fought anyone of Takam's ability yet, why is he rated so highly? Is he just knocking guys out with ease ala Tyson?
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<p>Parker certainly won the fight 115 - 113 in my eyes - it was close and Takam really should of taken him out of there with his experience, Parkers heart said different. Problem is Takam looked the much better fighter from the 5th round on. What people didnt pick up though was Takams tank was also empty, though he paced himself a lot better than Parker did.<br><br>
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<p>I reckon the concerning thing for the Parker camp was that Joseph didn't look <u>that</u> busy in the first four rounds that he should have been looking so knackered by round five. Takam wouldn't have needed to be a lot busier to have picked up a lot of those middle and later rounds (6/7 and 10/11 all of which I think Parker won).</p>
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<p>I suppose on the plus side - at the end of round eight - watching live you would have been expecting Takam to go on to a knock out and it was doubtless fortuitous that he ran out of gas as well. </p> -
I paid for it here in Aus , <br>
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<p>I paid for it here in Aus ,<br>
Only complaint from me from a value for money point of view was the standard of the fights on the undercard .</p>
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<p>For Duco's low standards, that was a great card but yes it was an average card by normal standards.</p> -
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<p>I don't watch much boxing but one question I have is if Joshua is only 16-0 and has not fought anyone of Takam's ability yet, why is he rated so highly? Is he just knocking guys out with ease ala Tyson?</p>
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<p>Sensational knockouts, sensational build, even better PR company, Best manager in the UK and possibly world boxing
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<p>Sensational knockouts, sensational build, even better PR company, Best manager in the UK and possibly world boxing = hype</p>
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<p>Plus an Olympic gold medal led him to be highly rated before the pro career started . </p> -
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<p>Plus an Olympic gold medal led him to be highly rated before the pro career started . </p>
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Parker is small. He needs more beef to bang. <br><br>
His arms are short and his jab was ineffectual against a fighter with a proper reach. <br><br>
His defence is now so questionable you have to wonder if Barry is a capable coach.<br><br>
His tank is not good for 6 rounds let alone 12.<br><br>
He struggled in close and you could see the size and strenth of Takam was wearing him down too easily.<br><br>
Thats the negative out of the way.<br><br>
He has a chin. Solid taken some heavy hits. Never looked shaky or confused/spaced. Very good sign. Joshua has a questionable chin.<br><br>
He is still too quick for everyone hes come up against. There were a few shots Takam took, reeled back from and before he could think about that shot he was hit my 2 more.<br><br>
He is strong. Not so much with the punches but he threw Takam across the ring at one stage. If he can use that in the clinch and smothering guys on the ropes he'd be able to wear guys down more easily without exerting so much energy.<br><br>
His off the ropes counter punching was very good. Excellent in some exchanges.<br><br>
His heart. He got through his toughest test not because hes a prodigy but because he wanted it more than Takam. It was a war and he won it outright. He was tested in every area and he still won. Fairly. He was the winner, no controversy, he won fair and square.<br><br>
The future.<br><br>
I saw today that Solomon Haumono is claiming hes fighting JP next. Strange if true. A bit risky IMO. SH is a knock out artist and could seriously fuck up JPs cred if he gets lucky. However SH is 40 and not actually that great of a boxer. Funny though as I reckon this may just be the Aussie media reaching. Trying to get in on the hype.<br><br>
Barry should be commended for getting him this far but JP needs a coach that can give him defence. Its been apparent for a while now that hes lacking and open to an over hand left or right. He carries his hands far too low and doesnt tuck his chin in. Fast guys will often carry their hands low but he leaves his chin out there. Not good at all. <br><br>
He needs to get away from NZ and fight some guys in the US away from the hype machine here in NZ. Too easy a road fighting at home. I know its about bank and home court advantage and you could argue no other fighters give away that advantage. But i think its the difference in being an also ran and being a real champ. Go out of you comfort zone and win where no one knows you. Box to get better not to just get paid. <br><br>
Dont imagine Duco would let that happen unfortunately. Theyll ride this kid into he ground. Cheapen his rep by holding more pressers in burger joints. Ahh im digressing....<br><br>
Its crazy you know, all of this stuff surrounding a 24yo on the verge of super stardom. Lets just hope he gets there.<br><br><br><br>
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