Hurricanes v Chiefs
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@gt12 said in SRA Round 4: Hurricanes v Chiefs:
Good point.
I’m not convinced about him as a 10 for the ABs but I do think that his best chance of staying an AB is to be a 10/15 rather than a 15/10.
At Super level, and especially for this Chief’s side, I also dont think we have much choice except getting him to touch the ball more often (for better or worse), and if we put the responsibility of driving the team around we might be able to reduce the amount of times he runs across the field for no purpose.
He did a great job tonight putting the defense in two minds, and played within himself pretty well. At Super level (and not necessarily above), when he is like that, he’s probably the 3rd or perhaps even 2nd best 10 in NZ, and clearly the best in this Chief’s side right now.
The endless myths and stories of DMac, eh?
Still being accused of being a headless chook when ,if anything, the opposite is the case. He seems to me to be being deliberately constrained and there’s plenty of times he is passing when a crack would be a good option.
It wasn’t until he freed up last night that things started happening for the team.
Most times when he dances sideways it is because there is no value in sending himself into a compromised position and he needs support. If a gap appears then he can take advantage.
If people can’t see the difference an on form DMac makes to a team they are being deliberately blind.
Do I think he should be driving the ABs? No. Not as a starter. But FFS the guy has talent to burn. -
@crucial said in SRA Round 4: Hurricanes v Chiefs:
@gt12 said in SRA Round 4: Hurricanes v Chiefs:
Good point.
I’m not convinced about him as a 10 for the ABs but I do think that his best chance of staying an AB is to be a 10/15 rather than a 15/10.
At Super level, and especially for this Chief’s side, I also dont think we have much choice except getting him to touch the ball more often (for better or worse), and if we put the responsibility of driving the team around we might be able to reduce the amount of times he runs across the field for no purpose.
He did a great job tonight putting the defense in two minds, and played within himself pretty well. At Super level (and not necessarily above), when he is like that, he’s probably the 3rd or perhaps even 2nd best 10 in NZ, and clearly the best in this Chief’s side right now.
The endless myths and stories of DMac, eh?
Still being accused of being a headless chook when ,if anything, the opposite is the case. He seems to me to be being deliberately constrained and there’s plenty of times he is passing when a crack would be a good option.
It wasn’t until he freed up last night that things started happening for the team.
Most times when he dances sideways it is because there is no value in sending himself into a compromised position and he needs support. If a gap appears then he can take advantage.
If people can’t see the difference an on form DMac makes to a team they are being deliberately blind.
Do I think he should be driving the ABs? No. Not as a starter. But FFS the guy has talent to burn.Couldn't agree more, it's called maturing as a player. Not sure why some feel they have to judge players they don't like on what they did a couple of years back , and that not a dig at mariner, just I think we need to enjoy players finding improvement in their game.
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Jeez some of you are being very harsh on Trask. An argument can be made that the Chiefs went better with McKenzie at 10, but to call Trask poor is a tad unfair. I thought he did well for a young fella with not a lot of experience.
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@antipodean said in SRA Round 4: Hurricanes v Chiefs:
@bobily2 said in SRA Round 4: Hurricanes v Chiefs:
@antipodean said in SRA Round 4: Hurricanes v Chiefs:
@frank said in SRA Round 4: Hurricanes v Chiefs:
@tim said in SRA Round 4: Hurricanes v Chiefs:
DMac needs to start at 10 for the Chiefs.
DMac needs to be given more time at 10, and maybe given another try at 10 for the ABs.
Fuck right off.
He did well at 10 against France in his first start there. One of the best games I've seen from an AB 10 over the last 4 or 5 years
Is that a joke? The France game where they had one foot on the plane already?
Jesus christ one good half against a shit Canes team and people are calling for him to be five-eighth for the All Blacks.
Wouldn't say he's first choice 10.
But he's currently probably next in line behind Mo'unga
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@kiwimurph said in SRA Round 4: Hurricanes v Chiefs:
@booboo not including Beauden (who will be back for ABs)?
Yeah, wasn't sure of Beaudie's movements
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@antipodean said in SRA Round 4: Hurricanes v Chiefs:
@bobily2 said in SRA Round 4: Hurricanes v Chiefs:
@antipodean said in SRA Round 4: Hurricanes v Chiefs:
@bobily2 said in SRA Round 4: Hurricanes v Chiefs:
@antipodean said in SRA Round 4: Hurricanes v Chiefs:
@frank said in SRA Round 4: Hurricanes v Chiefs:
@tim said in SRA Round 4: Hurricanes v Chiefs:
DMac needs to start at 10 for the Chiefs.
DMac needs to be given more time at 10, and maybe given another try at 10 for the ABs.
Fuck right off.
He did well at 10 against France in his first start there. One of the best games I've seen from an AB 10 over the last 4 or 5 years
Is that a joke? The France game where they had one foot on the plane already?
Jesus christ one good half against a shit Canes team and people are calling for him to be five-eighth for the All Blacks.
It's not like every player looked amazing against that French team. He stood out more than most.
And I've been calling for it for awhile (perhaps s not on this forum). Based on much more than one game.
I'll change my position when he continuously displays a calm demeanour on the field instead of his usual headless chicken act. Yes he played well today in the second half. It was against the Canes. A little perspective.
Mo'unga handily contributed to us losing against the Poms with his pathetic defense leading to the first try. Beauden has had a million chances but struggles in tight games where he just shovels it sideways. Both are good in space though.
McKenzie may be no better, but it's not like either Mo'unga or Barrett are brilliant options. Both have their limitations.
Oh, and McKenzie is a better goalkicker than both of them.
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@frank said in SRA Round 4: Hurricanes v Chiefs:
@antipodean said in SRA Round 4: Hurricanes v Chiefs:
@bobily2 said in SRA Round 4: Hurricanes v Chiefs:
@antipodean said in SRA Round 4: Hurricanes v Chiefs:
@bobily2 said in SRA Round 4: Hurricanes v Chiefs:
@antipodean said in SRA Round 4: Hurricanes v Chiefs:
@frank said in SRA Round 4: Hurricanes v Chiefs:
@tim said in SRA Round 4: Hurricanes v Chiefs:
DMac needs to start at 10 for the Chiefs.
DMac needs to be given more time at 10, and maybe given another try at 10 for the ABs.
Fuck right off.
He did well at 10 against France in his first start there. One of the best games I've seen from an AB 10 over the last 4 or 5 years
Is that a joke? The France game where they had one foot on the plane already?
Jesus christ one good half against a shit Canes team and people are calling for him to be five-eighth for the All Blacks.
It's not like every player looked amazing against that French team. He stood out more than most.
And I've been calling for it for awhile (perhaps s not on this forum). Based on much more than one game.
I'll change my position when he continuously displays a calm demeanour on the field instead of his usual headless chicken act. Yes he played well today in the second half. It was against the Canes. A little perspective.
Mo'unga handily contributed to us losing against the Poms with his pathetic defense leading to the first try. Beauden has had a million chances but struggles in tight games where he just shovels it sideways. Both are good in space though.
McKenzie may be no better, but it's not like either Mo'unga or Barrett are brilliant options. Both have their limitations.
Oh, and McKenzie is a better goalkicker than both of them.
We're coming off a blessed era where we had DC for a decade, AC on top form when DC was having injury issues, and a 1-2 year period where BB's natural talent covered up any issues he has as a controlling 10.
Now we have Richie who shines at Super level and hasn't quite transferred that to test level yet, BB who is still a natural talent but not quite at the level of his purple patch.
Then the cupboard is bare. As much as people want to whinge about DMac, his natural talent probably puts him ahead of the other contenders aside from an on form Black or Ioane (and he's in cabbage form). Hell, the cupboard is so bare Cameron is a test capped AB.
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@frank said in SRA Round 4: Hurricanes v Chiefs:
@antipodean said in SRA Round 4: Hurricanes v Chiefs:
@bobily2 said in SRA Round 4: Hurricanes v Chiefs:
@antipodean said in SRA Round 4: Hurricanes v Chiefs:
@bobily2 said in SRA Round 4: Hurricanes v Chiefs:
@antipodean said in SRA Round 4: Hurricanes v Chiefs:
@frank said in SRA Round 4: Hurricanes v Chiefs:
@tim said in SRA Round 4: Hurricanes v Chiefs:
DMac needs to start at 10 for the Chiefs.
DMac needs to be given more time at 10, and maybe given another try at 10 for the ABs.
Fuck right off.
He did well at 10 against France in his first start there. One of the best games I've seen from an AB 10 over the last 4 or 5 years
Is that a joke? The France game where they had one foot on the plane already?
Jesus christ one good half against a shit Canes team and people are calling for him to be five-eighth for the All Blacks.
It's not like every player looked amazing against that French team. He stood out more than most.
And I've been calling for it for awhile (perhaps s not on this forum). Based on much more than one game.
I'll change my position when he continuously displays a calm demeanour on the field instead of his usual headless chicken act. Yes he played well today in the second half. It was against the Canes. A little perspective.
Mo'unga handily contributed to us losing against the Poms with his pathetic defense leading to the first try. Beauden has had a million chances but struggles in tight games where he just shovels it sideways. Both are good in space though.
McKenzie may be no better, but it's not like either Mo'unga or Barrett are brilliant options. Both have their limitations.
Oh, and McKenzie is a better goalkicker than both of them.
Not sure McKenzies has any better front on defence at First Five he was average a few times in the Canes match so not sure what you are gaining there nothing I reckon.
The chiefs coaches must have thought the same they shuffled him to the wing a fair bit in defence so the big boys couldn't run at him down that channel. -
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@canes4life said in SRA Round 4: Hurricanes v Chiefs:
@winger he should never have been the head coach. Plumtree being called up to the All Blacks right before the start of the season last year and Holland being promoted with little other choices available at the time will probably bite the Canes for a wee while yet.
Avan Lee has a lot to answer for but no one is really holding him to account. Seems like it’s dumb decision after another at the Canes, and with the contract extension of Holland & Co nothings going to change anytime soon. It will most likely get worse before it gets better, especially if Jordie joins his bro up North.
I don't think they even advertised the head coach position after J Plumtree walked out on his contract much less called for nominations/applications so most of it must be attributable to the overpaid fisheads for allowed this calamity to occur. Earl Va'a and/or Darren Larsen must be terribly disappointed in missing out on the postition!
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@chris said in SRA Round 4: Hurricanes v Chiefs:
@frank said in SRA Round 4: Hurricanes v Chiefs:
@antipodean said in SRA Round 4: Hurricanes v Chiefs:
@bobily2 said in SRA Round 4: Hurricanes v Chiefs:
@antipodean said in SRA Round 4: Hurricanes v Chiefs:
@bobily2 said in SRA Round 4: Hurricanes v Chiefs:
@antipodean said in SRA Round 4: Hurricanes v Chiefs:
@frank said in SRA Round 4: Hurricanes v Chiefs:
@tim said in SRA Round 4: Hurricanes v Chiefs:
DMac needs to start at 10 for the Chiefs.
DMac needs to be given more time at 10, and maybe given another try at 10 for the ABs.
Fuck right off.
He did well at 10 against France in his first start there. One of the best games I've seen from an AB 10 over the last 4 or 5 years
Is that a joke? The France game where they had one foot on the plane already?
Jesus christ one good half against a shit Canes team and people are calling for him to be five-eighth for the All Blacks.
It's not like every player looked amazing against that French team. He stood out more than most.
And I've been calling for it for awhile (perhaps s not on this forum). Based on much more than one game.
I'll change my position when he continuously displays a calm demeanour on the field instead of his usual headless chicken act. Yes he played well today in the second half. It was against the Canes. A little perspective.
Mo'unga handily contributed to us losing against the Poms with his pathetic defense leading to the first try. Beauden has had a million chances but struggles in tight games where he just shovels it sideways. Both are good in space though.
McKenzie may be no better, but it's not like either Mo'unga or Barrett are brilliant options. Both have their limitations.
Oh, and McKenzie is a better goalkicker than both of them.
Not sure McKenzies has any better front on defence at First Five he was average a few times in the Canes match so not sure what you are gaining there nothing I reckon.
The chiefs coaches must have thought the same they shuffled him to the wing a fair bit in defence so the big boys couldn't run at him down that channel.I think DMac is probably more willing to throw himself in front of the big boys and he usually slows them down, but that's just an impression I get.
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@crazy-horse said in SRA Round 4: Hurricanes v Chiefs:
Jeez some of you are being very harsh on Trask. An argument can be made that the Chiefs went better with McKenzie at 10, but to call Trask poor is a tad unfair. I thought he did well for a young fella with not a lot of experience.
Definitely a noticeably better player than he was last year.
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@nepia said in SRA Round 4: Hurricanes v Chiefs:
@chris said in SRA Round 4: Hurricanes v Chiefs:
@frank said in SRA Round 4: Hurricanes v Chiefs:
@antipodean said in SRA Round 4: Hurricanes v Chiefs:
@bobily2 said in SRA Round 4: Hurricanes v Chiefs:
@antipodean said in SRA Round 4: Hurricanes v Chiefs:
@bobily2 said in SRA Round 4: Hurricanes v Chiefs:
@antipodean said in SRA Round 4: Hurricanes v Chiefs:
@frank said in SRA Round 4: Hurricanes v Chiefs:
@tim said in SRA Round 4: Hurricanes v Chiefs:
DMac needs to start at 10 for the Chiefs.
DMac needs to be given more time at 10, and maybe given another try at 10 for the ABs.
Fuck right off.
He did well at 10 against France in his first start there. One of the best games I've seen from an AB 10 over the last 4 or 5 years
Is that a joke? The France game where they had one foot on the plane already?
Jesus christ one good half against a shit Canes team and people are calling for him to be five-eighth for the All Blacks.
It's not like every player looked amazing against that French team. He stood out more than most.
And I've been calling for it for awhile (perhaps s not on this forum). Based on much more than one game.
I'll change my position when he continuously displays a calm demeanour on the field instead of his usual headless chicken act. Yes he played well today in the second half. It was against the Canes. A little perspective.
Mo'unga handily contributed to us losing against the Poms with his pathetic defense leading to the first try. Beauden has had a million chances but struggles in tight games where he just shovels it sideways. Both are good in space though.
McKenzie may be no better, but it's not like either Mo'unga or Barrett are brilliant options. Both have their limitations.
Oh, and McKenzie is a better goalkicker than both of them.
Not sure McKenzies has any better front on defence at First Five he was average a few times in the Canes match so not sure what you are gaining there nothing I reckon.
The chiefs coaches must have thought the same they shuffled him to the wing a fair bit in defence so the big boys couldn't run at him down that channel.I think DMac is probably more willing to throw himself in front of the big boys and he usually slows them down, but that's just an impression I get.
I thought Mounga was strong defensively against the Blues he pulled off some crucial tackles against the Blues big boys as well.
