The Crusaders and their success
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@chris-b said in The Crusaders and their success:
I mentioned a couple of times that I've been reading a series of Terry McLean's books. I'm currently reading about the 1959 Lions tour. McLean writes:
"What a remarkable record Canterbury has against overseas teams! The Lions were the 20th of 30 overseas visiting teams to be beaten by the province."
In another book he wrote about Canterbury being a maverick province, which didn't get anyone on the AB selection panel for more than a decade.
I was going to say (as I've said before) that a decent chunk of the road leads back to Grizz Wyllie and the Glenmark Club. But, probably some of the philosophy pre-dates Wyllie. But, it's somewhat around hard, abrasive rugby - especially having a dominant forward pack.
Toddy Blackadder took this to an extreme where he barely seemed to bother with having decent backs outside No. 10. At least he didn't allocate much budget to it.
So SBW was crap AND cheap?
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@nostrildamus said in The Crusaders and their success:
@nzzp it was tongue in cheek.
Basically, the Blues IMO have hired a better coach and improved their board. They always had sizzling backs and big forwards. Still a little weak at 9 and 10 imo.I'm banging the same drum as ever ... the board led all the good changes.
In hindsight, Pat Lam was a decent enough coach. JK adn Tana - poor choices by a poor board. Fantastic human beings, but not great coaches. Kind of the example - hoping for a miracle, not expecting solid performance.
Leon can't do what he's done with a dysfunctional organisation. The front of house enables the team to perfrom to their potential
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@nzzp said in The Crusaders and their success:
@rancid-schnitzel said in The Crusaders and their success:
It’s interesting to note that their first 3 wins were upsets and all played away from home.
Blues were robbed in 98; ref swallowed his whistle for a PT in the scrum
IIRC the Highlanders were robbed against the Blues in the semi. Controversial try to James Kerr. Isitolo Maka creating absolute havoc when he came on. Fark that guy should have been one of the greats.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in The Crusaders and their success:
@nzzp said in The Crusaders and their success:
@rancid-schnitzel said in The Crusaders and their success:
It’s interesting to note that their first 3 wins were upsets and all played away from home.
Blues were robbed in 98; ref swallowed his whistle for a PT in the scrum
IIRC the Highlanders were robbed against the Blues in the semi. Controversial try to James Kerr. Isitolo Maka creating absolute havoc when he came on. Fark that guy should have been one of the greats.
good memory - but Kerr the ex Aucklaner scored for the Crusaders in the final.
Maka was amazing when he was on. Like Sione lauaki - all the physical attributes, but didn't have the consistency to put it on the paddock
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@nzzp said in The Crusaders and their success:
@rancid-schnitzel said in The Crusaders and their success:
@nzzp said in The Crusaders and their success:
@rancid-schnitzel said in The Crusaders and their success:
It’s interesting to note that their first 3 wins were upsets and all played away from home.
Blues were robbed in 98; ref swallowed his whistle for a PT in the scrum
IIRC the Highlanders were robbed against the Blues in the semi. Controversial try to James Kerr. Isitolo Maka creating absolute havoc when he came on. Fark that guy should have been one of the greats.
good memory - but Kerr the ex Aucklaner scored for the Crusaders in the final.
Maka was amazing when he was on. Like Sione lauaki - all the physical attributes, but didn't have the consistency to put it on the paddock
Of course. Doh. Wasn’t there some controversy right near the end of that semi?
Maka was just lazy. Went completely to pie and stayed there. Such a shame.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in The Crusaders and their success:
Maka was just lazy. Went completely to pie and stayed there. Such a shame.
I wasn't a tenth as good as him, and I went full pies and beer. I'm not shaming, it's a legitimate (if short sighted) choice
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@nzzp said in The Crusaders and their success:
@rancid-schnitzel said in The Crusaders and their success:
It’s interesting to note that their first 3 wins were upsets and all played away from home.
Blues were robbed in 98; ref swallowed his whistle for a PT in the scrum
What's PT?
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@kiwi_expat penalty ?
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@kiwi_expat said in The Crusaders and their success:
@nzzp said in The Crusaders and their success:
@rancid-schnitzel said in The Crusaders and their success:
It’s interesting to note that their first 3 wins were upsets and all played away from home.
Blues were robbed in 98; ref swallowed his whistle for a PT in the scrum
What's PT?
Usually "penalty try".
Not sure to what he us referring though.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in The Crusaders and their success:
astonishing talent (McCaw, Carter and Mauger)
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@bones said in The Crusaders and their success:
@rancid-schnitzel said in The Crusaders and their success:
astonishing talent (McCaw, Carter and Mauger)
Mauger was shit hot at Super level and certainly had his moments at test level as well. To claim otherwise would be utterly absurd.
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@nzzp said in The Crusaders and their success:
I'm banging the same drum as ever ... the board led all the good changes.
I noticed Andy Roberts is on the Auckland board.
I knew him from law school.
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@nzzp said in The Crusaders and their success:
@rancid-schnitzel said in The Crusaders and their success:
Maka was just lazy. Went completely to pie and stayed there. Such a shame.
I wasn't a tenth as good as him, and I went full pies and beer. I'm not shaming, it's a legitimate (if short sighted) choice
The slight difference there obviously being that he was an Allblack and professional rugby player. And I wasn’t shaming, I said it was a shame. He could have been awesome.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in The Crusaders and their success:
@bones said in The Crusaders and their success:
@rancid-schnitzel said in The Crusaders and their success:
astonishing talent (McCaw, Carter and Mauger)
Mauger was shit hot at Super level and certainly had his moments at test level as well. To claim otherwise would be utterly absurd.
Questioning Mauger as an astonishing talent alongside McCaw & Carter is utterly absurd? Thought about applying for TMO school bro?
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@bones said in The Crusaders and their success:
@rancid-schnitzel said in The Crusaders and their success:
@bones said in The Crusaders and their success:
@rancid-schnitzel said in The Crusaders and their success:
astonishing talent (McCaw, Carter and Mauger)
Mauger was shit hot at Super level and certainly had his moments at test level as well. To claim otherwise would be utterly absurd.
Questioning Mauger as an astonishing talent alongside McCaw & Carter is utterly absurd? Thought about applying for TMO school bro?
My bad. Mauger was shit and played no part in the success of that team.
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I posted about this book in the Crusaders 2021 thread a week ago.
This week marks the release of Crusade On!, written by the man who was media manager for the Crusaders for the 2007 and 2008 campaigns, North Otago-born Matt McILraith. The former sports journalist became part of All Blacks management in 2002 and 2003 and was with the Wallabies between 2008 and 2013, becoming the only media manager to attend the Rugby World Cup with two different major nations. McILraith says he believes the way the Crusaders achieved their success, and the enduringculture they created to sustain it, provides an example that is as relevant for the board roomas it is for the sporting arena, and hopes Crusade On! offers valuable lessons in teambuilding, personal growth, and a steadfast commitment to the power of the collective, with no one person considered more important than any other. NBR will be running three extracts from Crusade On! this week in advance of the book’spublication ...If you register with NBR without subscribing, you can read one free article per day.
Part 1: A team like no other: Secrets to success of the Crusaders
Part 2: Lessons in leadership: Passing of the torch
Part 3: Murray Ellis: Twickenham or bust
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@mariner4life said in The Crusaders and their success:
Why can the other sides not replicate it? Why are they consistently behind every bloody year?
Clarity of purpose. Each person in the organisation knows what their role is and how it contributes to success.
A core of All Blacks who insist on a high level of performance. Each player in the squad is clear about their role which enables them to play to their best potential.
I'm reminded of the great Auckland side. A story I recall was how many training sessions they went without dropping a single ball. Perfect practice makes perfect. It's about the standards you insist on.
Small wonder players prefer to go to a franchise with that level of success; they know the value that environment brings to their development.
To maintain this requires a core of experience and careful succession planning. Something organisations can only do when they aren't fighting for survival.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in The Crusaders and their success:
@bones said in The Crusaders and their success:
@rancid-schnitzel said in The Crusaders and their success:
@bones said in The Crusaders and their success:
@rancid-schnitzel said in The Crusaders and their success:
astonishing talent (McCaw, Carter and Mauger)
Mauger was shit hot at Super level and certainly had his moments at test level as well. To claim otherwise would be utterly absurd.
Questioning Mauger as an astonishing talent alongside McCaw & Carter is utterly absurd? Thought about applying for TMO school bro?
My bad. Mauger was shit and played no part in the success of that team.
Noooo way! He's an astonishing talent! Right up there with McCaw & Carter! And Ellis! And Blackadder! And Broomhall! And Ralph! ASTONISHING
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@bones said in The Crusaders and their success:
@rancid-schnitzel said in The Crusaders and their success:
@bones said in The Crusaders and their success:
@rancid-schnitzel said in The Crusaders and their success:
@bones said in The Crusaders and their success:
@rancid-schnitzel said in The Crusaders and their success:
astonishing talent (McCaw, Carter and Mauger)
Mauger was shit hot at Super level and certainly had his moments at test level as well. To claim otherwise would be utterly absurd.
Questioning Mauger as an astonishing talent alongside McCaw & Carter is utterly absurd? Thought about applying for TMO school bro?
My bad. Mauger was shit and played no part in the success of that team.
Noooo way! He's an astonishing talent! Right up there with McCaw & Carter! And Ellis! And Blackadder! And Broomhall! And Ralph! ASTONISHING
He was an astonishing talent.
Now feel free to contribute to the topic of the thread.
