Crusaders v Chiefs
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I really really don’t like the goal line drop out.
Why the hell would the rule makers want to make the game more like league?
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@crazy-horse said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
@bones said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
@crazy-horse said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
@donsteppa said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
@crazy-horse said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
@chchfanatic said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
That was a shit call for the Webber binning. But fuck we are good. So well drilled.
A very well coached team...
Are you sure you don't want a straight swap with Foster?
To be honest I would take that. For the good of AB rugby.
The combo with Williams is deadly, can we get that in tests too? 😁
I read your post twice. Once in an Irish accent and once in a South African accent. Sounded perfect both times.
Hand me an armband.
You reminded me...I was pondering earlier what watching Ireland would be like if Drummond had headed over there. Drummond-Sookston halves pairing, yikes.
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Goal line drop outs in rugby are an abomination.
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@gunner said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
I really really don’t like the goal line drop out.
Especially when it's Tiatia kicking it...
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Not impacting the result at all but Doleman has not been impressive. Missed stuff from both teams all over the shop.
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Well the chiefs played will for the first 50. This ref was a fucking joke. I mean I didn't expect to win but it would have been a better game if it wasn't ruined by the ref.
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@kiwimurph and got little support from his assistants, well, little good support
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@donsteppa said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
@gunner said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
I really really don’t like the goal line drop out.
Especially when it's Tiatia kicking it...
I love my rugby with a bit of comedy mixed in...
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I'm taking off the 14 points scored when the system failed and I make it 25-17.
Much better effort than I expected from the Chiefs.
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@nepia said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
I'm taking off the 14 points scored when the system failed and I make it 25-17.
Much better effort than I expected from the Chiefs.
I missed the first hour - what happened?
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@kiwimurph said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
Not impacting the result at all but Doleman has not been impressive. Missed stuff from both teams all over the shop.
The fact that Came had to use his challenge on the Mounga forward pass is the moronic setup to Williams' lazy decision.
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@act-crusader said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
@donsteppa said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
@gunner said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
I really really don’t like the goal line drop out.
Especially when it's Tiatia kicking it...
I love my rugby with a bit of comedy mixed in...
The ground announcer was too slow to cue Benny Hill...
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@gunner probably easier you watch, a horror 5 mins or so from the officials, pretty much all of them.
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@kiwimurph said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
@gunner Weber got dudded in one of the worst TMO decisions you will ever see. End result was a Crusaders try and Weber being binned in what should have been a Mounga knock on.
It should have been a penalty against the jersey puller.
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@kiwimurph said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
@gunner Weber got dudded in one of the worst TMO decisions you will ever see. End result was a Crusaders try and Weber being binned in what should have been a Mounga knock on.
Without seeing it, how the fuck does that happen?
In my opinion the ref and TMOs often over complicate it by trying to be too technical.
Just keep it simple, if it looks like a dog and barks like a dog, chances are it’s a fucking dog, and don’t need a DNA sample to confirm it....
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One thing New Zealand consistently fails to develop is competent referees. Anyone with a feel for the game plays.
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What’s the fucking point of a fucking captains challenge if the fucking TMO is a fucking blind fuck!
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@kiwimurph said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
@gunner essentially what seemed to happen was the TMO made a quick call from one viewing/angle when in fact the second angle clearly showed what happened.
And yet we have a chorus of people saying speed the decisions up. Even during this thread. Fuck being an official, they can't bloody win.
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The decline of the Chiefs. Shame. I like close games. Ive said this before but NZ need a financial structure to make it financially mpossible for one team to stack a team with all the best players
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@crucial said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
What’s the fucking point of a fucking captains challenge if the fucking TMO is a fucking blind fuck!
Yeah, they've got to give it at least the 57 replays they give normal TMO decisions
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@crazy-horse said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
@kiwimurph said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
@gunner essentially what seemed to happen was the TMO made a quick call from one viewing/angle when in fact the second angle clearly showed what happened.
And yet we have a chorus of people saying speed the decisions up. Even during this thread. Fuck being an official, they can't bloody win.
How many times do you need to watch the same angle before going to another?
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@crucial said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
What’s the fucking point of a fucking captains challenge if the fucking TMO is a fucking blind fuck!
Tbe mistake made was having only one captain’s review. It should be like cricket. If you are successful you retain your review.
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@crazy-horse said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
@kiwimurph said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
@gunner essentially what seemed to happen was the TMO made a quick call from one viewing/angle when in fact the second angle clearly showed what happened.
And yet we have a chorus of people saying speed the decisions up. Even during this thread. Fuck being an official, they can't bloody win.
There's a balance. I don't think looking at 2 or 3 views/angles is a problem.
There are times when the views/angles gets into double digits though.
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@antipodean said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
@crazy-horse said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
@kiwimurph said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
@gunner essentially what seemed to happen was the TMO made a quick call from one viewing/angle when in fact the second angle clearly showed what happened.
And yet we have a chorus of people saying speed the decisions up. Even during this thread. Fuck being an official, they can't bloody win.
How many times do you need to watch the same angle before going to another?
As many times as it takes. It's easy for us as fans to make a call because there are no repercussions if we get it wrong, but the officials have to get it right. I don't care if they take their time.
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The Cheifs lost to a much, much better team on the day and the ref's stuff-ups only altered the winning margin.
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@crazy-horse said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
@antipodean said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
@crazy-horse said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
@kiwimurph said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
@gunner essentially what seemed to happen was the TMO made a quick call from one viewing/angle when in fact the second angle clearly showed what happened.
And yet we have a chorus of people saying speed the decisions up. Even during this thread. Fuck being an official, they can't bloody win.
How many times do you need to watch the same angle before going to another?
As many times as it takes. It's easy for us as fans to make a call because there are no repercussions if we get it wrong, but the officials have to get it right. I don't care if they take their time.
As many times as it takes to form an incorrect opinion clearly corrected by a different camera angle?
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@antipodean said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
@crazy-horse said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
@antipodean said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
@crazy-horse said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
@kiwimurph said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
@gunner essentially what seemed to happen was the TMO made a quick call from one viewing/angle when in fact the second angle clearly showed what happened.
And yet we have a chorus of people saying speed the decisions up. Even during this thread. Fuck being an official, they can't bloody win.
How many times do you need to watch the same angle before going to another?
As many times as it takes. It's easy for us as fans to make a call because there are no repercussions if we get it wrong, but the officials have to get it right. I don't care if they take their time.
As many times as it takes to form an incorrect opinion clearly corrected by a different camera angle?
Had a feeling you would say that, but that is nitbwhat I am getting at. No argument they made an error in the in the knock on call. I am referring to the call to speed up their decision making while at the same time insisting they get everything right. The two do not necessarily go hand in hand.
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@old-samurai-jack said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
The Cheifs lost to a much, much better team on the day and the ref's stuff-ups only altered the winning margin.
Absolutely. It was just massively disappointing to get chopped down like that on top of the skill gap. That just negated some of the heart and effort that was keeping them close.
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So, did anybody else see the jersey pull or did I imagine it?
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@taniwharugby said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
Barrett needed to get in on that penalty action!
I think he sympathised with them
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@crucial said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
What’s the fucking point of a fucking captains challenge if the fucking TMO is a fucking blind fuck!
Small sample size so far but I have got the impression that the TMOs are approaching the captains review as if the captain is wrong. There have been a couple (can’t remember exact ones) where they only had a very quick look and brushed it off. Nothing like the 10 replays of a clear grounding they often watch for a normal referral.
Stupid. But is anyone really surprised this isn’t working?
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@pukunui said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
@crucial said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
What’s the fucking point of a fucking captains challenge if the fucking TMO is a fucking blind fuck!
Small sample size so far but I have got the impression that the TMOs are approaching the captains review as if the captain is wrong. There have been a couple (can’t remember exact ones) where they only had a very quick look and brushed it off. Nothing like the 10 replays of a clear grounding they often watch for a normal referral.
Stupid. But is anyone really surprised this isn’t working?
TMOs have been fucking up clear calls for years.Why do you think that is? Serious question.
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@winger said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
The decline of the Chiefs. Shame. I like close games. Ive said this before but NZ need a financial structure to make it financially mpossible for one team to stack a team with all the best players
Pretty sure you have raised this point before. It is still a stupid point. The Crusaders aren’t stacked with all the best players. The Blues for example are just as stacked on paper.
However a competent coach and well run organisation make a huge difference.
The Canes coaches and organisation seem to have no idea, the chiefs appear to be similar and the Highlanders have been paying Hammer for rugby coaching so have to have issues somewhere.
The long term solution is to sack Foster and promote Robertson to the ABs job and clean out the canes and chiefs organisations and coaches. Definitely don’t extend their contracts....... -
@crazy-horse said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
@antipodean said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
@crazy-horse said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
@antipodean said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
@crazy-horse said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
@kiwimurph said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
@gunner essentially what seemed to happen was the TMO made a quick call from one viewing/angle when in fact the second angle clearly showed what happened.
And yet we have a chorus of people saying speed the decisions up. Even during this thread. Fuck being an official, they can't bloody win.
How many times do you need to watch the same angle before going to another?
As many times as it takes. It's easy for us as fans to make a call because there are no repercussions if we get it wrong, but the officials have to get it right. I don't care if they take their time.
As many times as it takes to form an incorrect opinion clearly corrected by a different camera angle?
Had a feeling you would say that, but that is nitbwhat I am getting at. No argument they made an error in the in the knock on call. I am referring to the call to speed up their decision making while at the same time insisting they get everything right. The two do not necessarily go hand in hand.
Whatever trade-off there was in the egregious instance was clearly not the balance we're after. As an example I go to the Faianga'anuku (sp?) feat of athleticism. How many times does Williams need to see the same camera angle showing two thing:
- Looks like he's touched the grass but inconclusive and certainly not clear evidence to overturn the initial call.
- There's another camera in the shot.
So watch once, twice in slow motion and then switch to the potato coverage and go back to the ref.
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@crazy-horse said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
@pukunui said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
@crucial said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
What’s the fucking point of a fucking captains challenge if the fucking TMO is a fucking blind fuck!
Small sample size so far but I have got the impression that the TMOs are approaching the captains review as if the captain is wrong. There have been a couple (can’t remember exact ones) where they only had a very quick look and brushed it off. Nothing like the 10 replays of a clear grounding they often watch for a normal referral.
Stupid. But is anyone really surprised this isn’t working?
TMOs have been fucking up clear calls for years.Why do you think that is? Serious question.
Based only on how many looks they have had at captains reviews and saying to myself “wtf, they hardly looked at it”
As i said, small sample size so could just be coincidence.
But today was an example of being much quicker on the call than usual and they fucked it up.
Im sure it’s not a conscious bias but the concept of a captains “challenge” could lead to unconscious bias especially as it’s a new concept in rugby. -
@antipodean said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
@crazy-horse said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
@antipodean said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
@crazy-horse said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
@antipodean said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
@crazy-horse said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
@kiwimurph said in Crusaders v Chiefs:
@gunner essentially what seemed to happen was the TMO made a quick call from one viewing/angle when in fact the second angle clearly showed what happened.
And yet we have a chorus of people saying speed the decisions up. Even during this thread. Fuck being an official, they can't bloody win.
How many times do you need to watch the same angle before going to another?
As many times as it takes. It's easy for us as fans to make a call because there are no repercussions if we get it wrong, but the officials have to get it right. I don't care if they take their time.
As many times as it takes to form an incorrect opinion clearly corrected by a different camera angle?
Had a feeling you would say that, but that is nitbwhat I am getting at. No argument they made an error in the in the knock on call. I am referring to the call to speed up their decision making while at the same time insisting they get everything right. The two do not necessarily go hand in hand.
Whatever trade-off there was in the egregious instance was clearly not the balance we're after. As an example I go to the Faianga'anuku (sp?) feat of athleticism. How many times does Williams need to see the same camera angle showing two thing:
- Looks like he's touched the grass but inconclusive and certainly not clear evidence to overturn the initial call.
- There's another camera in the shot.
So watch once, twice in slow motion and then switch to the potato coverage and go back to the ref.
So you would be an advocate for limiting how many reviews the TMO get to look at before making a decision a decision? I have no problem with that as long as we as fans, and the media/commentators don't get to whinge if they make a mistake.
I get where are coming from, but the way things are are at the moment we have people whinging when aare mistake is made, and others when they take too long to make a decision. Sometimes they are the same person.
Then to complicate things, decisions are often opinion based. Like I have said, fuck being an official.
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