World Cup Final match thread

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Watching the replay , it was SBWs head that Kepu tried to remove at the 41 minute mark. piston wristed gibbon.
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And it was Pocock's head that Kaino tried to remove at 58:05. piston wristed gibbon.
 
Next question?

Crucial

Just about all of that is irrelevant Nick. I don't think anyone here is accusing Pocockwomble of a deliberate stomp on the head. 
We can all see McCaw holding the leg. I bet both players held each other as long as they could get away with all game. 
The fact is that Pocockwomble put his foot down and it connected with McCaws head. The onus is on him to take sufficient card that he doesn't do this. Heads are sacrosanct. Boots on heads usually draw a punishment. The severity of that punishment takes into account any mitigating factors. 
Remember Adam Thompson tapping a players headgear covered head lightly with his foot as notice to get it out of the way of the ball? Was correctly cited and punished. 
Horwill was cited and in most eyes got off very lightly. 
Can't see why (except for "politics" and not wanting to sully the final) this wouldn't at least attract a citing and get looked at carefully.

nostrildamus

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="NTA" data-cid="537791" data-time="1446346924">I'm asking for trouble here, but here are the facts... Pocock's clear intent is to keep himself in play by freeing his leg then moving forward to the next breakdown. BUT, you'd have to be a complete idiot to deliberately stomp someone's head, given the TMO has so many angles covered, and the ARs are meant to be looking for this sort of thing.And Pocock, having been warned about using his knee on the Welsh, isn't that stupid, despite what some might like to believe. " And Pocock, having been warned about using his knee on the Welsh, isn't that stupid, despite what some might like to believe. Nor is he a saint as the continued unfunny content likes to portray.</blockquote>Sorry but these aren't facts they are your opinions. Fact: Pocock has form here. He is a serial offender. Fact: I don't really give a shit at the moment.

jegga

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="NTA" data-cid="537804" data-time="1446347538">
And it was Pocock's head that Kaino tried to remove at 58:05. piston wristed gibbon. 
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I didn't realise that two wrongs make a right now. Got a link? 
Given kepus general grubbiness during the game I thought it was worth mentioning Jerome is a prince amongst men and it was probably an accident , wasn't looking ,video refs etcetc .

jegga

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="taniwharugby" data-cid="537800" data-time="1446347419">seems I have run out of likes for the first time ever! 
 
Shot my load this morning....sheesh, sorry, I'm usually better than this! </blockquote>
 
That sounded a bit rehearsed there.

nostrildamus

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="jegga" data-cid="537809" data-time="1446347844">That sounded a bit rehearsed there.</blockquote>Yeah like he's said it to girls before.

nostrildamus

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Razbra" data-cid="537766" data-time="1446343775">
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Im not sure how everyone else is coping but when does the full body orgasm stop?
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It doesn't. That is why it is called tantric rugby.

cyclopath

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="taniwharugby" data-cid="537800" data-time="1446347419">
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seems I have run out of likes for the first time ever! 
 
Shot my load this morning....sheesh, sorry, I'm usually better than this! 
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I'll sell you some.

Toddy

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="ploughboy" data-cid="537777" data-time="1446345281">
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only got a quick look on replay but has anyone had a chance to look at aus second try.was foley ahead on genia on the kick chase
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Would have been worth going to the TMO for that try. Foley looked about half a metre offside when Genia kicked the ball. Still, swings and roundabouts and all that.

booboo

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="ploughboy" data-cid="537777" data-time="1446345281">
only got a quick look on replay but has anyone had a chance to look at aus second try.was foley ahead on genia on the kick chase</blockquote>
 
I questioned that duribg the game from the overhead shot

NTA

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Crucial" data-cid="537805" data-time="1446347593">
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Just about all of that is irrelevant Nick. I don't think anyone here is accusing Pocockwomble of a deliberate stomp on the head.
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Uh, yeah... and before you ask: I do have a lot of time on my hands :D
 
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="jegga" data-cid="537355" data-time="1446316219">
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Was that Bonocock doing the stamping? If so I'm glad the arsehole goes home with a runners up medal tonight.
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Kirwan" data-cid="537360" data-time="1446316370">
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Was pretty disappointed with how the Wallabies approached the game. Brought the filth
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Kirwan" data-cid="537372" data-time="1446316701">
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Whatever, it's dirty play to stomp on someone's head.
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Richie8-7" data-cid="537451" data-time="1446320198">
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Yeah! It's your fault if you get stomped!
 
Who's the grub now.
 
Thank goodness the far better team won given the bullshit dirty play the Wallabies brought to this final
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Virgil" data-cid="537548" data-time="1446325659">
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Thats a stamp, same thing will happen that did after the 2011 Final...nothing.
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You've at least had the good grace to pull back from your original comment of
 
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Crucial" data-cid="537496" data-time="1446322054">
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Maybe it was sign language? 
Grubby, but he will no doubt use the Horwill defence.
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In addition to that, your continued use of your unamusing names for Pocock makes you all look pretty churlish. Its about as funny as the Aussies using "McCheat" over on the other site.
 
 
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As I said above: show me another video angle with clear contact and/or Pocock looking at his target and I'll go right for it. As you said: the onus IS on players to make sure they don't kick anyone in the head, so the commissioner should cite him by all means. If it comes to a case and he gets pinged, you'll get no argument from me.
 
Just don't be hypocrites about it.
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="nostrildamus" data-cid="537807" data-time="1446347749">
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Sorry but these aren't facts they are your opinions.
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Firstly, I didn't say that part was a fact; I number-pointed the facts from the video. I wasn't aware that there was a literary critique where I'm required to sub-head everything else.
 
Though the bit about being an idiot for stomping with the TMO availability is absolutely, 100% true. Are you saying you WOULDN'T be an idiot for stomping someone? Please elaborate.
 
 
 
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="jegga" data-cid="537808" data-time="1446347764">
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I didn't realise that two wrongs make a right now. Got a link? 

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They don't. But for incidents that go unpunished on a rugby field there are always two sides to a story.
 
As for a link - well I only have still photos but they tell a pretty good story. First two are smaller so you can see time and approach. Then the impact point blown up. Basically the same as Kepu.
 
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booboo

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="NTA" data-cid="537827" data-time="1446349263">
Uh, yeah... and before you ask: I do have a lot of time on my hands :D 
You've at least had the good grace to pull back from your original comment of 
In addition to that, your continued use of your unamusing names for Pocock makes you all look pretty churlish. Its about as funny as the Aussies using "McCheat" over on the other site. 
As I said above: show me another video angle with clear contact and/or Pocock looking at his target and I'll go right for it. As you said: the onus IS on players to make sure they don't kick anyone in the head, so the commissioner should cite him by all means. If it comes to a case and he gets pinged, you'll get no argument from me. 
Just don't be hypocrites about it.</blockquote>
Ah ... 
Er... 
Nah. Fuck it. We won. I won't bother.

Stargazer

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Unco" data-cid="537781" data-time="1446345826">
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Quade's staying, isn't he?
 
With all the spots opening up in the NZ, Aus and SA squads and the Argies having a young squad too, the next four years will be really interesting to watch.
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Noticed several news sites reporting that Toulon has announced that Cooper will be unveiled as a Toulon player on Monday.
 
One of the links: <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.3news.co.nz/sport/quade-cooper-to-play-at-toulon-2015103109#axzz3qCxHO93X'>http://www.3news.co.nz/sport/quade-cooper-to-play-at-toulon-2015103109#axzz3qCxHO93X</a>

NTA

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="booboo" data-cid="537833" data-time="1446349729">
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Ah ... 
Er... 
Nah. Fuck it. We won. I won't bother. :)
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Bingo.

taniwharugby

canefan

Willie certainly knows how to have a fun time
 
And are those custom team Heineken bottles from the sponsors? Bit cheap, they could have got individual players' names on them...
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Stargazer" data-cid="537836" data-time="1446349876">
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Noticed several news sites reporting that Toulon has announced that Cooper will be unveiled as a Toulon player on Monday.
 
One of the links: <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.3news.co.nz/sport/quade-cooper-to-play-at-toulon-2015103109#axzz3qCxHO93X'>http://www.3news.co.nz/sport/quade-cooper-to-play-at-toulon-2015103109#axzz3qCxHO93X</a>
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I saw that on another site last week. Seems like a done deal.
 
However, these are sporting contracts, so maybe there is a plan. Douglas came back from Ireland after barely a year, and that was troubled with injury. Think we forked out $300K for the privilege and it nearly paid off - probably our best T5 forward around the park. Big loss early in the game.

Richie8-7

If McCaw had stamped on someone's face, I can just imagine the Aussie papers right now.
 
Crazy hypothetical I know, because he would never stoop so low.

Mick Gold Coast QLD

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I'm asking for trouble here, but here are the facts - looking purely at the vine provided:
 
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7) The probable contact point doesn't seem to be in shot - you can't see any part of Pocock's lower leg as it begins its journey from the top of the knee lift ...
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8) McCaw checks his head as he gets back to his feet.
 
McCaw ... Pocock [do normal, unremarkable stuff]
 
Would be good to see another angle if anyone has one. Or better definition video.
 
BUT, you'd have to be a complete idiot to deliberately stomp someone's head ... And Pocock ... isn't that stupid, despite what some might like to believe. Nor is he a saint as the continued unfunny content likes to portray.
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On that last little bit ... similarly McCaw isn't so stupid as to trip someone but he did cop a yellow card a week or so ago for being just that. Spontaneous reactions happen.
 
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Crucial" data-cid="537805" data-time="1446347593">
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Just about all of that is irrelevant Nick. I don't think anyone here is accusing Pocockwomble of a deliberate stomp on the head. 
We can all see McCaw holding the leg. I bet both players held each other as long as they could get away with all game. 
The fact is that Pocockwomble put his foot down and it connected with McCaws head. The onus is on him to take sufficient care that he doesn't do this. Heads are sacrosanct. Boots on heads usually draw a punishment. The severity of that punishment takes into account any mitigating factors. 
Remember Adam Thompson tapping a players headgear covered head lightly with his foot as notice to get it out of the way of the ball? Was correctly cited and punished. 
Horwill was cited and in most eyes got off very lightly. 
Can't see why (except for "politics" and not wanting to sully the final) this wouldn't at least attract a citing and get looked at carefully.
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I'm not particularly wedded to the incident at all, NTA, other than to have a bit of fun (as "unfunny" as you find it to be) at the expense of the long running "Richie is a cheat - Our Davey is Lovely and better than him anyway, so there!" mantra chanted interminably by the kiddies on local rugby web sites, which automatically absolves the crowd favourite (who they portray as a saint) from all wrong. It commenced today at half time, focusing on Sir Richie and Nigel Owens.
 
You may not have seen this longer, slightly better vision <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='

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Perhaps McCaw gets up distractedly rubbing his head for the reason he is wondering how long there is to go, I dunno.
 
As innocuous as I see it all to be in the grand scheme of things, Crucial does make the germane point subsequently that the modern administrators have more rigid laws and expectations and they have acted on them.

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