World Cup Final match thread
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<p>If an illustrator can't even get it right after the fact how the hell is the defence expected to read the move?! :mocking:</p>
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<p>One of the saddest things to have happened to sports journalism in the UK is the decline of the <em>Daily Telegraph</em>.. A few years ago it was simply outstanding with its insight and writing quality - now it's simply shoddy writing and click-bait</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Knock On Wood" data-cid="538095" data-time="1446405245">
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<p>If an illustrator can't even get it right after the fact how the hell is the defence expected to read the move?! :mocking:</p>
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<p>TBF it wasnt really a play you could plan to defend.</p> -
<p>Listening to Marshall this morning, he was saying he gave a few ABs man hugs after the game, not the kind you give a lady, but you know....said he saw Aaron Smith and gave him a man hug and lifted him off the ground!</p>
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<p>He has been good value this tournament I feel, in the comms and his piece on CGW breakfast, hopefully for the former it is a turning point.</p> -
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<p>- Savea was way better than I thought in the 1st half, really busy and always beat the first guy enough to require the attention of another. </p>
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<p>- The obstruction rule where you run into your own player - is that an actual rule now that if the tackle is "effected", there is no penalty, or just an interpretation from Owens? Saw this twice in the first half.</p>
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<p>- Speaking of obstruction, I hate the rule for a kick chase where a defender only has to "not deviate" his line to be legal. This is so daft. Watch Mitchell size up the Savea line on a kick chase, then run "straight" into his way to prevent him challenging for the ball. Mitchell was running at 45 degrees from where the ball was going to land with zero intention of challenging for it - perfectly legal, just a daft rule</p>
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<p>- On daft rules, what about the SBW slap-down - why should this be a knock-on? Perfectly legal "tackle", but should be open play for mine, its just a knock-back by SBW isn't it?</p>
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<p>Too many good points to discuss in that post Voodoo, but I have filtered out a couple I'd like to comment on.</p>
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<p>Stats for the tournament have Savea really high in carries over the gain line (3rd I think), shows the amount of 'getting involved' he did.</p>
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<p>On the running into your own player thing, it is an accidental offside and is almost always judged by good refs on it's effect on play. In the one I remember from the game the field position and ball didn't move at all from the place of contact. He called out 'tackle made same spot' or something similar. Good reffing.</p>
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<p>The kick chase thing has me in two minds. I understand the frustration but it is also a defensive skill to run lines that impede attackers without deliberately deviating into their path. A skill, that if it was lost would IMO dumb the game down.</p>
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<p>WR clarified the knock on thing a while back, especially due to when this happens in a tackle near the tryline. A player in possession has the responsibility to control that possession. We obviously had spotted that a few of the Oz ball carriers were a bit weak in their carry and really targeted the ball in the tackle on them.</p> -
<p>I wonder if Aaron Smith can sing? Footage of him doing a version of "We are the Champions" in the sheds afterwards would be solid gold</p>
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<p>I just realised that all 3 tries were scored by <strong>Hurricanes</strong> players. Who said we don't know how to win a final eh? :)</p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Victor Meldrew" data-cid="538099" data-time="1446405914"><p>One of the saddest things to have happened to sports journalism in the UK is the decline of the <em>Daily Telegraph</em>.. A few years ago it was simply outstanding with its insight and writing quality - now it's simply shoddy writing and click-bait</p></blockquote>
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<p>This is the paper that's been printing the manatees cheap shots for 20 years or so right?</p>
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<p>Jones is in The Times...</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="NTA" data-cid="537953" data-time="1446359734"><p>Presentation of the silver medals came up again on the Fox feed just now - when Cheika got his medal you could see he was shattered, but the Aussies in the crowd gave a roar.<br><br>
Fucking miracle worker disguised as a Lebanese brickie.<br><br><img src="http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2015/11/01/1227589/864033-ff875a4a-8030-11e5-a5c8-de3ffc01720c.jpg" alt="864033-ff875a4a-8030-11e5-a5c8-de3ffc017"></p></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="jegga" data-cid="538084" data-time="1446400736"><p>In the middle of this photo is quite possibly the most Australian looking person ever.<br><br><br><img src="http://i1.wp.com/www.whaleoil.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/2DFB448200000578-3298281-image-a-159_1446319025405-630x446.jpg?fit=630%2C446" alt="2DFB448200000578-3298281-image-a-159_144"></p></blockquote>
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<p>So many of our players had buggar all minutes too: Taylor, Fekitoa, <strong>Messam</strong>, Romano, TJP, Slade, Naholo </p>
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<p>Enough for Messam to join Mils Muliaina as the only player to have won the full set of rugby medals/titles on offer:</p>
<ul><li>RWC winner</li>
<li>Super Rugby title</li>
<li>NPC title</li>
<li>Ranfurly Shield winner</li>
<li>Commonwealth Games Sevens Gold medal</li>
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<p>I wonder if Aaron Smith can sing? Footage of him doing a version of "We are the Champions" in the sheds afterwards would be solid gold</p>
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<p>Someone is celebrating waaaayyy too much! :good1:</p> -
With all the talk of the 'pool of death', I reckon the AB's had a far harder path to win the World Cup than what the aussies did. <br><br>
The aussies had England, Wales, Scotland and Argentina on their way to a thumping in the final.<br><br>
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<p>He has been good value this tournament I feel, in the comms and his piece on CGW breakfast, hopefully for the former it is a turning point.</p>
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<p>I watched the match live with Brit commentary. Then the replay in Spanish. Later I watched the highlight packages with Nisbo and Meg, and have to say Meg sounded like the least impartial colour announcer ever. He didn't sound like a professional commentator, on those highlights he sounded more like a porn star having orgasms.</p> -
<p>Do people not understand the concept of the 'pool of death'?</p>
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<p>Even if we lost to Argentina, we were still through provided we were able to take care of the mighty Namibia, Georgia and Tonga. This gave us the luxury of cruising through pool play, so we only have to be mentally 'up' for 3 games.</p>
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<p>Wallabies, England and Wales had to be 'up' from the get go or risk not leaving their pool.</p>
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One of the saddest things to have happened to sports journalism in the UK is the decline of the <em>Daily Telegraph</em>.. A few years ago it was simply outstanding with its insight and writing quality - now it's simply shoddy writing and click-bait</p></blockquote>
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<p>rewatching it for the umpteenth time, can't fathom how Kepu stayed on the pitch. Late tackle on Carter (marginal but preventable, penalty only correct call), high swinging arm on Carter a few minutes later (clear yellow), high tackle on McCaw just after he passed it to NMS for the try (penalty or another YC for repeated foul play infringements), high tackle on NMS just before the Nonu try, when SBW threw his first offload on the game, follwing up with completely unnecessary raking across the face. That fucker should have seen red.</p>
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<p>Thought Smith's yellow was just that. Astonishing he was going to go for penalty only at first.</p>
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<p>Thought the forward pass was marginal, probably flat (as in "Genia flat") was made to look bad because he passed just before coming to a full stop, so of course ball still has the momentum and still travels 35 kph forwards when passed. Seems this momentum concept is hard to grasp for the majority of rugby journos. There definitely was a knock on by Coles just after Retallick dropped it backwards in midfield a few moments before the NMS try, though.</p>
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<p>At 38:25, just before the NMS try there was a ruck where I thought Owens might penalise ABs for holding on, but obviously neither Fardy nor Pocock were on their feet supporting their own bodyweight, so I think it sshould have been advantage ABs for playing the ball off their feet. I'd see it the other way around were I a Wallabies supporter, mind...</p>
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<p>There was a break from Mitchell that came from a pretty suspect Beale pass (Mitchell ran a great line, though), which looked more forward to me. (47:48 match time).</p>
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<p>When McCaw got back there and won the turnover fair and square, how the Wallabies weren't penalised there and even got the scrum put in is beyond me. </p>
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<p>In the subsequent scrum, the whole Wallabies back five disintegrated and became unbound, but no penalty advantage was played, which I thought was very weird, though it would have been advantage over, as NMS made quite a few metres before the Beale intercept.</p>
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<p>Whitelock lucky when he (probably deliberately) tripped Mitchell as he dropped the ball for the Barrett try, very sneaky.</p>
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<p>Overall don't think Owens had a great game, but outcome and margin a fair reflection of the game. Wallabies barely hung in there in the 1st 40 and never really looked threatening, apart from their two tries. Their second try was very well done, though. Realizing the space unoccupied by the missing fullback and smart kick and chase. Was a lot more nervous in the semi against SA, Wallabies backline looked pretty impotent yesterday, and their forwards got smashed at the contact points.</p> -
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<p>I watched the match live with Brit commentary. Then the replay in Spanish. Later I watched the highlight packages with Nisbo and Meg, and have to say Meg sounded like the least impartial colour announcer ever. He didn't sound like a professional commentator, on those highlights he sounded more like a porn star having orgasms.</p>
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<p>Marshall has really made an effort to be impartial this year when commentating AB games, often taking the contrary view of the other commentators. But in the final the Mataura bogan got the better of him and he became a supporter like the rest of us. I'm sure we can forgive him. :mocking:</p>
