World Cup Final match thread

NTA

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Sorry but these aren't facts they are your opinions.
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Firstly, I didn't say that part was a fact; I number-pointed the facts from the video. I wasn't aware that there was a literary critique where I'm required to sub-head everything else.
 
Though the bit about being an idiot for stomping with the TMO availability is absolutely, 100% true. Are you saying you WOULDN'T be an idiot for stomping someone? Please elaborate.
 
 
 
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="jegga" data-cid="537808" data-time="1446347764">
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I didn't realise that two wrongs make a right now. Got a link? 

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They don't. But for incidents that go unpunished on a rugby field there are always two sides to a story.
 
As for a link - well I only have still photos but they tell a pretty good story. First two are smaller so you can see time and approach. Then the impact point blown up. Basically the same as Kepu.
 
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booboo

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="NTA" data-cid="537827" data-time="1446349263">
Uh, yeah... and before you ask: I do have a lot of time on my hands :D 
You've at least had the good grace to pull back from your original comment of 
In addition to that, your continued use of your unamusing names for Pocock makes you all look pretty churlish. Its about as funny as the Aussies using "McCheat" over on the other site. 
As I said above: show me another video angle with clear contact and/or Pocock looking at his target and I'll go right for it. As you said: the onus IS on players to make sure they don't kick anyone in the head, so the commissioner should cite him by all means. If it comes to a case and he gets pinged, you'll get no argument from me. 
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Ah ... 
Er... 
Nah. Fuck it. We won. I won't bother.

Stargazer

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Unco" data-cid="537781" data-time="1446345826">
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Quade's staying, isn't he?
 
With all the spots opening up in the NZ, Aus and SA squads and the Argies having a young squad too, the next four years will be really interesting to watch.
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Noticed several news sites reporting that Toulon has announced that Cooper will be unveiled as a Toulon player on Monday.
 
One of the links: <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.3news.co.nz/sport/quade-cooper-to-play-at-toulon-2015103109#axzz3qCxHO93X'>http://www.3news.co.nz/sport/quade-cooper-to-play-at-toulon-2015103109#axzz3qCxHO93X</a>

NTA

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="booboo" data-cid="537833" data-time="1446349729">
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Ah ... 
Er... 
Nah. Fuck it. We won. I won't bother. :)
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Bingo.

taniwharugby

canefan

Willie certainly knows how to have a fun time
 
And are those custom team Heineken bottles from the sponsors? Bit cheap, they could have got individual players' names on them...
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NTA

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Stargazer" data-cid="537836" data-time="1446349876">
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Noticed several news sites reporting that Toulon has announced that Cooper will be unveiled as a Toulon player on Monday.
 
One of the links: <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.3news.co.nz/sport/quade-cooper-to-play-at-toulon-2015103109#axzz3qCxHO93X'>http://www.3news.co.nz/sport/quade-cooper-to-play-at-toulon-2015103109#axzz3qCxHO93X</a>
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I saw that on another site last week. Seems like a done deal.
 
However, these are sporting contracts, so maybe there is a plan. Douglas came back from Ireland after barely a year, and that was troubled with injury. Think we forked out $300K for the privilege and it nearly paid off - probably our best T5 forward around the park. Big loss early in the game.

Richie8-7

If McCaw had stamped on someone's face, I can just imagine the Aussie papers right now.
 
Crazy hypothetical I know, because he would never stoop so low.

Mick Gold Coast QLD

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="NTA" data-cid="537791" data-time="1446346924">
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I'm asking for trouble here, but here are the facts - looking purely at the vine provided:
 
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4) [... normal, unremarkable stuff happens ...]
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7) The probable contact point doesn't seem to be in shot - you can't see any part of Pocock's lower leg as it begins its journey from the top of the knee lift ...
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8) McCaw checks his head as he gets back to his feet.
 
McCaw ... Pocock [do normal, unremarkable stuff]
 
Would be good to see another angle if anyone has one. Or better definition video.
 
BUT, you'd have to be a complete idiot to deliberately stomp someone's head ... And Pocock ... isn't that stupid, despite what some might like to believe. Nor is he a saint as the continued unfunny content likes to portray.
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On that last little bit ... similarly McCaw isn't so stupid as to trip someone but he did cop a yellow card a week or so ago for being just that. Spontaneous reactions happen.
 
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Crucial" data-cid="537805" data-time="1446347593">
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Just about all of that is irrelevant Nick. I don't think anyone here is accusing Pocockwomble of a deliberate stomp on the head. 
We can all see McCaw holding the leg. I bet both players held each other as long as they could get away with all game. 
The fact is that Pocockwomble put his foot down and it connected with McCaws head. The onus is on him to take sufficient care that he doesn't do this. Heads are sacrosanct. Boots on heads usually draw a punishment. The severity of that punishment takes into account any mitigating factors. 
Remember Adam Thompson tapping a players headgear covered head lightly with his foot as notice to get it out of the way of the ball? Was correctly cited and punished. 
Horwill was cited and in most eyes got off very lightly. 
Can't see why (except for "politics" and not wanting to sully the final) this wouldn't at least attract a citing and get looked at carefully.
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I'm not particularly wedded to the incident at all, NTA, other than to have a bit of fun (as "unfunny" as you find it to be) at the expense of the long running "Richie is a cheat - Our Davey is Lovely and better than him anyway, so there!" mantra chanted interminably by the kiddies on local rugby web sites, which automatically absolves the crowd favourite (who they portray as a saint) from all wrong. It commenced today at half time, focusing on Sir Richie and Nigel Owens.
 
You may not have seen this longer, slightly better vision <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='

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</a> I assume you have seen this <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://vine.co/v/e3OtuWB9Ad3'>https://vine.co/v/e3OtuWB9Ad3</a>
 
Perhaps McCaw gets up distractedly rubbing his head for the reason he is wondering how long there is to go, I dunno.
 
As innocuous as I see it all to be in the grand scheme of things, Crucial does make the germane point subsequently that the modern administrators have more rigid laws and expectations and they have acted on them.

jegga

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Firstly, I didn't say that part was a fact; I number-pointed the facts from the video. I wasn't aware that there was a literary critique where I'm required to sub-head everything else.
 
Though the bit about being an idiot for stomping with the TMO availability is absolutely, 100% true. Are you saying you WOULDN'T be an idiot for stomping someone? Please elaborate.
 
 
 
 
They don't. But for incidents that go unpunished on a rugby field there are always two sides to a story.
 
As for a link - well I only have still photos but they tell a pretty good story. First two are smaller so you can see time and approach. Then the impact point blown up. Basically the same as Kepu.
 
<img src="http://www.daimenhutchison.com/rugby/public/style_images/master/attachicon.gif" alt="attachicon.gif"><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.daimenhutchison.com/rugby/index.php?app=core&module=attach&section=attach&attach_rel_module=post&attach_id=1896'>poey2.png</a>
 
<img src="http://www.daimenhutchison.com/rugby/public/style_images/master/attachicon.gif" alt="attachicon.gif"><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.daimenhutchison.com/rugby/index.php?app=core&module=attach&section=attach&attach_rel_module=post&attach_id=1895'>poey1.png</a>
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Not the same SBW was on the ground when Kepu was wrestling him. 
 
Like you said we won and your boys gave us a game.

Kirwan

How cute, NTA is using the 'but they did it too' defence. By my count you have four more AB infractions to find to even up your teams filth.

jegga

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Mick Gold Coast QLD" data-cid="537849" data-time="1446351226">
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On that last little bit ... similarly McCaw isn't so stupid as to trip someone but he did cop a yellow card a week or so ago for being just that. Spontaneous reactions happen.
 
 
I'm not particularly wedded to the incident at all, NTA, other than to have a bit of fun (as "unfunny" as you find it to be) at the expense of the long running "Richie is a cheat - Our Davey is Lovely and better than him anyway, so there!" mantra chanted interminably by the kiddies on local rugby web sites, which automatically absolves the crowd favourite (who they portray as a saint) from all wrong. It commenced today at half time, focusing on Sir Richie and Nigel Owens.
 
You may not have seen this longer, slightly better vision <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='

'>

</a> I assume you have seen this <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://vine.co/v/e3OtuWB9Ad3'>https://vine.co/v/e3OtuWB9Ad3</a>
 
Perhaps McCaw gets up distractedly rubbing his head for the reason he is wondering how long there is to go, I dunno.
 
As innocuous as I see it all to be in the grand scheme of things, Crucial does make the germane point subsequently that the modern administrators have more rigid laws and expectations and they have acted on them.
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Mick that first video has been taken down, if anyone finds another I'd be interested in seeing it.

Mick Gold Coast QLD

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="NTA" data-cid="537842" data-time="1446350252">
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I saw that on another site last week. Seems like a done deal.
 
However, these are sporting contracts, so maybe there is a plan. Douglas came back from Ireland after barely a year, and that was troubled with injury. Think we forked out $300K for the privilege and it nearly paid off - probably our best T5 forward around the park. Big loss early in the game.
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From elsewhere:
 
"Quade Cooperâ€™s Wallabies career has hit a significant hurdle, and his rugby sevens dream looks dead in the water, with the talented five-eighth set to be unveiled as a Toulon player on Monday.
 
On the eve of Australiaâ€™s World Cup final with the All Blacks, the French club released a statement confirming Cooper would be presented to the media on Monday â€“ when most of his teammates will be flying home.
 
The Queensland Reds playmaker signed a two-year deal with Toulon in April, only to attempt to back out of the contract in the hope of signing a new deal with Australian rugby â€“ with one eye on playing sevens rugby at the 2016 Olympics in Rio de Janeiro."
 
I have read somewhere that if he continued to renig on the deal done it would cost him $200,000.

NTA

Kirwan - I'm not doing this as a points scoring exercise. I'm using it to point out the referees either missed things or judged them in a different light to other incidents based on what they saw. Some of them I'm less happy with than others. Not going to change anything now.
 
For example: people above are talking about Foley being offside for Genia's kick on the second try. Again, not going to change anything now, but its interesting to look at these and see where refs and their team are making calls and where they're not. Particularly as they're allowed to use the TMO two phases back edit from a try being scored /edit and could, in theory, check on anything in that period like the bloody NRL do (for which I'm thankful they're not).
 
And I don't see you popping snide remarks at them.
 
 
 
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Not the same SBW was on the ground when Kepu was wrestling him. 
 
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? Apologies - I thought you were referring to the Kepu high shot on Carter and I was using the Kaino one as a parallel.
 
Kepu got penalised - probably lucky not to get a yellow.
 
The high shot on Kaino was referred to the TMO on the run. Was about 35m out dead in front, so goal kicking opportunity (tactical advantage). There was no subsequent input from the TMO, or before there was, Owens called advantaged over just as we got to the 22, out on the tram tracks on the right hand side. I thought that was very odd, given to this point we've seen TMOs go back for foul play or refs pull play up to look at it in this RWC. It didn't look like advantage.
 
Guess World Rugby need to work on the TMO guidelines a bit more, and should NOT be introducing them at RWC but have little option given the different broadcast setups for Test rugby across the world

voodoo

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Would have been worth going to the TMO for that try. Foley looked about half a metre offside when Genia kicked the ball. Still, swings and roundabouts and all that.
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I just had another look, Foley was fine on this one, really well timed

jegga

Unco

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="NTA" data-cid="537791" data-time="1446346924">
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Not according to reports. His agent apparently signed something which means QC is out of pocket $200K if he renegs, and the owner of the club (Toulon? Yes, Toulon) said he'll come after the ARU if he needs to - not because of the money, but just because he's a billionaire and could probably buy the ARU if he wanted. See below - this was April. Think Quade had cold feet after McKenzie left, and Foley started getting game time. Plus all the "ITS A NSW CONSPIRACY!" shit flying around. 
 
There were a LOT of angry QLDers unprepared to accept McKenzie was anything but a saint.
 
Anyway, the word is that Quade is going to honour his deal and play 2 years in France. He meets the 7 year rule but not the 60 Test rule (58 caps I think) so would be toast as far as Wallaby selection goes.
 
<img src="http://www.superxv.com/uploadedbigimages/Quade_Cooper30.jpg" alt="Quade_Cooper30.jpg">
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Fair enough. I hadn't been following it too closely since the talk was that he was trying to get out of the contract, Toulon's owner packed a hissy and they were looking for a replacement. Sounds like the rich douche got his way then.

Toddy

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="voodoo" data-cid="537857" data-time="1446352129">
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I just had another look, Foley was fine on this one, really well timed
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Yeah, just saw the replay and you're right. He timed it perfectly.

voodoo

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Gotta love rugby

NTA

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Unco" data-cid="537859" data-time="1446352450">
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Fair enough. I hadn't been following it too closely since the talk was that he was trying to get out of the contract, Toulon's owner packed a hissy and they were looking for a replacement. Sounds like the rich douche got his way then.
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Like I said - he could probably buy the ARU with his pocket money so given the lack of minutes for Quade lately, it may not be a surprise that the ARU were willing to say "oh darn! We forgot to give Quade another 2 caps" or whatever it is they need.

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