World Cup Final match thread
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<p>Hey I was watching one of the ball carries Mitchell had, where SBW slaps it out of his hands (a move which I'm not sure is covered under the laws). It looks like he flicks Mitchell on the chin or jaw as his hand goes down. Hard to tell on the Foxtel Play PC app.</p>
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<p>Hey I was watching one of the ball carries Mitchell had, where SBW slaps it out of his hands (a move which I'm not sure is covered under the laws). It looks like he flicks Mitchell on the chin or jaw as his hand goes down. Hard to tell on the Foxtel Play PC app.</p>
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<p>Nah you can strip the ball in a one on one tackle ;)</p>
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<p>LOL. Old habits die hard eh?</p>
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<p>I've always found that interesting with the knock-on situation generally - a ball gets ripped out by an opponent, and sometimes its a knock-on and sometimes the ref calls play on. Can depend on the situation but occasionally you see a ref fall on the side of "player in possession is responsible" and all that.</p>
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<p>But what if I'm carrying the ball in two arms, ready to pass, and an opponent slaps it out of my hands AND it goes behind me i.e. forward from their perspective. Law 12.1(f) doesn't actually exclude a situation where the ball is currently in possession of a player:</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://laws.worldrugby.org/?law=12&language=EN'>http://laws.worldrugby.org/?law=12&language=EN</a></p>
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<div>(f) Intentional knock or throw forward. A player must not intentionally knock the ball forward with hand or arm, nor throw forward.</div>
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<div>Sanction: Penalty kick. A penalty try must be awarded if the offence prevents a try that would probably otherwise have been scored.</div>
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<p>So what if Player A is about to deliver the last pass to an unmarked winger and Player B (opponent) slaps it out of their hands? :think:</p> -
Was it a slap or a strip? With Mitchell I thought the latter?
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Ben" data-cid="538841" data-time="1446536327"><p>My angle is only that decisions went our way in the final and I'd be pretty pissed if I was an Aussie. But they have taken it really well. <br><br>
That's my angle.</p></blockquote>
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That angle only works if you ignore all the crap that Aussie got away with. Which you are. -
<p>Poor old Ben, putting his head above the parapet and duly getting it shot off. All he is saying is that in his opinion NZ got a little more out of the officials than the Aussies. Not saying he's right and these things are almost always a matter of opinion, even if someone nerdy enough goes through the whole match listing the bad calls or no calls. Even then though it is still mostly a matter of opinion. Nowhere (that I could see) does Ben suggest the rub of the green influenced the eventual outcome of the match or that the Aussies should have won had so and so not done such and such etc.</p>
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<p>Ben. When will you learn?</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Catogrande" data-cid="538925" data-time="1446548760"><p>Poor old Ben, putting his head above the parapet and duly getting it shot off. All he is saying is that in his opinion NZ got a little more out of the officials than the Aussies. Not saying he's right and these things are almost always a matter of opinion, even if someone nerdy enough goes through the whole match listing the bad calls or no calls. Even then though it is still mostly a matter of opinion. Nowhere (that I could see) does Ben suggest the rub of the green influenced the eventual outcome of the match or that the Aussies should have won had so and so not done such and such etc.<br><br>
Ben. When will you learn?</p></blockquote>
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We are just asking him to back up his opinion. The fact that some posters have found five acts of thuggery from just one player suggests he's pretty far off the mark. <br><br>
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<p>We are just asking him to back up his opinion. The fact that some posters have found five acts of thuggery from just one player suggests he's pretty far off the mark.<br><br>
All games have mistakes from the ref, and they always go both ways. To suggest NZ got the rub of the green and Aussie are somehow hard done by isn't correct.</p>
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<p>You just haven't seen the GAGR video yet. Probably still in post production.</p> -
Putting your head above the parapet, just because will likely get shot at...<br><br>
Now if you put your hand up and ask for a cease fire cost you gotta go take a piss, you get laughed at and a few shots but at least you people know what you are up to. -
Don't wish to rain on their parade, but it's absolutely pouring down. <br><br>
An idea could have been to allow the players to go home, spend a few days to freshen up, and to return to Auckland. <br><br>
There would be a designated route, ending at the Aotea Square.<br><br>
Public transport, with extra buses. <br><br>
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<p>Don't wish to rain on their parade, but it's absolutely pouring down.<br><br>
An idea could have been to allow the players to go home, spend a few days to freshen up, and to return to Auckland.<br><br>
There would be a designated route, ending at the Aotea Square.<br><br>
Public transport, with extra buses.<br><br>
Then families could all enjoy the occassion.</p>
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<p>You clearly don't work for Auckland Council. Far too pragmatic. Next you'll suggest the parade could be located at PT hubs, or even on a weekend so school kids could swarm the place.</p> -
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<p>Don't wish to rain on their parade, but it's absolutely pouring down.<br><br>
An idea could have been to allow the players to go home, spend a few days to freshen up, and to return to Auckland.<br><br>
There would be a designated route, ending at the Aotea Square.<br><br>
Public transport, with extra buses.<br><br>
Then families could all enjoy the occassion.</p>
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<p>Couldn't be worse weather really, typical :)</p> -
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<p>Neither word is defined - there was a tackle earlier by Conrad that was a definite strip, and i think SBW stripped one, but I saw him slap at the ball to dislodge it as well.</p>
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<p>Mitchell not showing enough ball security overall.</p>
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<p>It is good point you bring up NTA, I tend to hold my breath wondering when it a penalty or not in a knock out of players hands situation. Or when it a knock out or a strip.</p> -
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<p>Poor old Ben, putting his head above the parapet and duly getting it shot off. All he is saying is that in his opinion NZ got a little more out of the officials than the Aussies. Not saying he's right and these things are almost always a matter of opinion, even if someone nerdy enough goes through the whole match listing the bad calls or no calls. Even then though it is still mostly a matter of opinion. Nowhere (that I could see) does Ben suggest the rub of the green influenced the eventual outcome of the match or that the Aussies should have won had so and so not done such and such etc.</p>
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<p>Ben. When will you learn?</p>
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<p>About now.</p>
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<p>I shall be towing the forum line from now on. Fuck this having a different opinion shit. No-one wins.</p> -
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<p>About now.</p>
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<p>I shall be towing the forum line from now on. Fuck this having a different opinion shit. No-one wins.</p>
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<p>Nice way to deflect, but whole point of a forum is to have a discussion. You put out an opinion and people disagreed with it, with examples of why they did, and asked you to back up what you said.</p>
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<p>Having a tanty isn't going to make you any more right.</p> -
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<p>Are you poppping on down for it Kirwan?</p>
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<p>I see the lads got caught leaving Platinum Bar in London.</p>
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<p>Duluth! Does that bar bring back some great London memories???</p>
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<p>Can't, have plans at 12pm unfortunately.</p> -
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<p>Nice way to deflect, but whole point of a forum is to have a discussion. You put out an opinion and people disagreed with it, with examples of why they did, and asked you to back up what you said.</p>
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<p>Having a tanty isn't going to make you any more right.</p>
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<p>As far as I am aware, no-one has asked me for examples, just called me obtuse. And, even if they did ask, I can tell I would get absolutely nowhere proffering them on here.</p>
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<p>As I say, I'll just sagely nod and agree from now on. Putting your head above the parapet in any walk of life generally attracts opprobrium and disdain. The internet just magnifies that.</p>
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<p>So, now, I've been talked round and am firmly in line.</p>
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<p>I put up a post in support of you Ben, but it was quickly deleted.</p>
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<p>Agree that Australians have every right to be aggrieved about some of the refereeing calls. And the acceptance of this has been very suprising from across the ditch. If some of those calls went against us, I think the reaction would be much different.</p>
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<p>Go and watch weight of a nation. Make sure you cry several times whilst doing so, whilst thinking how proud you are to be a NZer. Never mind that it's just over the top, cheesy, ESPN type bullshit...... Then you'll fit right in here.</p>
