World Cup Final match thread
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Nice summation Major.
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="No Quarter" data-cid="538352" data-time="1446434141"><p>
There were other times in the match where A Smith passed the ball over a Wallaby player lying on the ground. I think "milking them at all costs" is going a bit far - Moore was definitely in the way in that instance so he made sure the Ref pinged him. It's what a good half-back does, nothing cynical in it at all IMO.</p></blockquote>You know what's cynical? Defenders lying around the back of the ruck or lazy retreaters to coin a Kaplan phrase. These guys know exactly what they are doing, it is subtle but has a significant effect. I've noticed in some instances where the retreating player does just enough to force the pass one way only. If you don't want to get pinged, don't hang around there. If that infringement goes unpunished what do you think will happen on future occasions until the ref gets wise? -
You know what's cynical. Props cheating in scrums, like Servat in 2011, to win kickable penalties. Almost the equivalent of diving in the box. Never hear that called cynical though, it's called "dark arts".<br><br>
The things that are accepted as non-cynical, or uncontroversial are a bit weird. When there was all that fuss over McCaws awesome try from an awesome lineout move in Joburg, some of the media reaction was baffling. Every dull as custard lineout drive and rolling maul has about in average 6* instances of cheating by the attacking team. Without an eyelid batted.<br><br><br><br><br><br>- random number chosen to make a point.
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Don't go there Immenso. The dark arts are for the grown ups, ok? Lets just talk about forward passes and stuff.
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<p>You know what's cynical. Props cheating in scrums, like Servat in 2011, to win kickable penalties. Almost the equivalent of diving in the box. Never hear that called cynical though, <strong>it's called "dark arts</strong>".<br><br>
The things that are accepted as non-cynical, or uncontroversial are a bit weird. When there was all that fuss over McCaws awesome try from an awesome lineout move in Joburg, some of the media reaction was baffling. Every dull as custard lineout drive and rolling maul has about in average 6* instances of cheating by the attacking team. Without an eyelid batted.<br><br><br><br><br><br>- random number chosen to make a point.</p>
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<p>Usually said by the same people who say "the front row is where the real rugby is played, the rest is just decoration" and then waddle over to the buffet.</p>
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<p>I am such a N00b despite being here a long time, can't figure out multi quote (no flames or jibes for that please).</p>
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<p>So by memory will reply without quoting people</p>
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<p>1) The final judges decisions are in and no further correspondence will be accepted: Marshall was classic. You would get sick of it if he did it every game, but as novelty value which was justified by the occassion it was mint. He only did it because he figured he was going exclusively to NZ. Nisbo was solid but nothing to write home about. Keith Quinn probably has made some of the best calls of all time. Marshall's effort will be remembered and added to the atmosphere.</p>
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<p>2) That head high from Kaino troubled Owens, if I am thinking of the correct play, he called penalty advantage and then ended the penalty advantage 6 seconds later. I think he really didn't want to look at it on replay in case he had to reach for a card, which judging by his treatment of Smith and Kepu was something he wanted to avoid. </p>
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<p>3) I woke up today with the best sleep I have had in a year and was completely at one with the world. </p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Siam" data-cid="538368" data-time="1446436915"><p>On the English commentary feed, the bloke mentioned AT THE 50 Minute mark that it was the first time the Aussies had carried possession of the ball into the AB 22 - Staggering stat.</p></blockquote>
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I mentioned that just before the commentator. A similar thing happened against SA and France.<br><br>
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<p>Absolute confirmation and proof that territory trumps possession every. day. of. the. week.</p>
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<p>Argentina seemed to forget this in their semi and the 3rd/4th playoff match.</p> -
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<p>I'm not sure if it was mentioned but I was told that Ben Smith was the first player to be yellow-carded in a RWC final. Another record. :)</p>
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<p>Without Ben Smith, the Wallabies may not have scored any points(Dropped ball leading to first Oz penalty as well as the two tries while he was in the bin.)</p>
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<p>Sliding doors and all that... but he was the best player for the Wallabies at ticking the scoreboard over :)</p> -
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<p>Without Ben Smith, the Wallabies may not have scored any points(Dropped ball leading to first Oz penalty as well as the two tries while he was in the bin.)</p>
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<p>Sliding doors and all that... but he was the best player for the Wallabies at ticking the scoreboard over :)</p>
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<p>He certainly didn't have a vintage match - kick out on the full, knock on on his own line, yellow card etc.</p>
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<p>Read also still seemed to have tits in the place of his hands, but made up for it with his defence and lineouts.</p>
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<p>You're obviously annoyed about Kepu staying on, right? You've brought it up a number of times.<br><br>
So, given you're pissed about that, you can surely see why Aussies will be pissed about the decisions that went against them. But If you can't, fine. I won't try to convince you any further as I'm not really that bothered.</p>
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<p>Of course I can see why Aussies would be pissed off, but that doesn't mean that we got the rub of the green as you contended, and whether or not Aussies were pissed off wasn't what we were discussing.</p>
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<p>I bring Kepu up because that's a case of Aus getting a really big rub of the green. I don't care that he wasn't binned, I'd rather games were 15 on 15, but as I said Kepu staying on is rub of the green.</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="canefan" data-cid="538486" data-time="1446455720"><p>He did spark the counterattack that saw BB put the game on ice ;)</p></blockquote> he made a few mistakes but he also did good shit. 3 line breaks, 10 runs for 73 metres, 2 off loads. Still very good. Just not his normal awesome.
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<p>I'm not sure if it was mentioned but I was told that Ben Smith was the first player to be yellow-carded in a RWC final. Another record. :)</p>
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<p>I'm pretty sure that's wrong, because the first person to be shown the Yellow in a World Cup was, believe it or not...</p>
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<p>John Eales.</p>
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<p>This was in 1999, before you went off the field for 10 minutes when it was given. Got done for punching a Frenchie.</p> -
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<p>I'm pretty sure that's wrong, because the first person to be shown the Yellow in a World Cup was, believe it or not...</p>
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<p>John Eales.</p>
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<p>This was in 1999, before you went off the field for 10 minutes when it was given. Got done for punching a Frenchie.</p>
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Rewatching the final, the last 5 minutes of the half, from the kick restart to NMSs try and the sideline conversion were beautiful. The 60m forward march off the kickoff reminded me of the only highlight 10 minutes in the Sydney test, and the backline scoring manoeuvre was textbook
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<p>Just recovered from the after effects of watching the game in the pub, followed by a couple more pubs and then a Ruby. Yesterday was difficult.</p>
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<p>Congratulations to NZ a very, very good performance and the cup was well deserved. Commiserations of a sort to Aussie, I say of a sort because although you didn't get over the line, your boys helped ignite the competition and have played some very good, very tough rugby and put up a real fight against a very good NZ team (Mods: is there a limit to the amount of verys I can have? Hope not). The two best teams in the competition playing in the final is just deserts for playing good rugby and the best team on the day and through the tournament won. Not much to argue about there.</p>
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<p>Of all the very good bits within the game I thought the standout was Wayne Barnes missing the forward pass when right in line. Karma. Does this mean we will not hear about 2007 again?</p>
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<p>Thought not!</p>
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<p>Well done NZ.</p>