All Blacks 2021
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Depth in mediocrity perhaps.
There's only 2-3 people on that list I'd argue are currently amongst the top in the world in their position (and the second one and third one are arguable). -
Odd to see Rayasi ranked as 3rd best right wing. I have never seen him play in that position. Christie included in the best opensides is also weird as he did not play in 2021 and hardly set the world on fire in 2020. Nankivell named as outside centre is also questionable as he is mainly a second five. I don't know how to think about Ruben Love's inclusion in this list too. McClutchie was far better in this year's NPC and I am not from Napier !
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@kirwan said in All Blacks 2021:
@duluth said in All Blacks 2021:
@crucial said in All Blacks 2021:
11 weak
14 depth disappears quicklyI can't think of time when the wing depth has been worse
Which is saying a lot when we had Ralph on the wing
Stole lots of caps from Rundle, Reihana and James Kerr.
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@billy-tell said in All Blacks 2021:
It’s funny. Savea is highly rated outside of this forum, whether that’s journalists or rugby fans from our opponents, but here he seems to be regarded as borderline useless. Someone is wrong.
I see world rugby have named him at number 8 in their dream team. Along with Barrett at 10 and Jordan at 14.
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@billy-tell said in All Blacks 2021:
@billy-tell said in All Blacks 2021:
It’s funny. Savea is highly rated outside of this forum, whether that’s journalists or rugby fans from our opponents, but here he seems to be regarded as borderline useless. Someone is wrong.
I see world rugby have named him at number 8 in their dream team. Along with Barrett at 10 and Jordan at 14.
was astonished by Savea there. He's outstanding, but just doesn't seem to fit our mix of loosies.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2021:
He's outstanding
at what?
His height. He stands out.......
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2021:
He's outstanding
at what?
at being a rugby player.
He's really good across most facets of the game, athletic, fast and skillful.
Just ... short, smaller than others, and not complementary to the other players we have around him
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2021:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2021:
He's outstanding
at what?
at being a rugby player.
He's really good across most facets of the game, athletic, fast and skillful.
Just ... short, smaller than others, and not complementary to the other players we have around him
he doesn't hit hard in the tackle, he can't clean a ruck to save himself (on either side of the ball) nor does he really like too, our turnover stats say he isn't good on teh ground either. And this guy is supposed to be a #8?
So he's an obvious athlete and is pretty good after contact. That's it?
Colour me massively underwhelmed. I am convinced the vast majority of people only watch youtube highlights of games given the absolutely shit takes i constantly see.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:
Colour me massively underwhelmed. I am convinced the vast majority of people only watch youtube highlights of games given the absolutely shit takes i constantly see.
I'd happily have him in my AB squad. Great off the bench- and can play a role in a loose forward trio that's right for him at the very top level. That's just not our loosies right now (combined with obstinate coaching)
but yeah, I don't see him as the best 8 in the world
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2021:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:
Colour me massively underwhelmed. I am convinced the vast majority of people only watch youtube highlights of games given the absolutely shit takes i constantly see.
I'd happily have him in my AB squad. Great off the bench- and can play a role in a loose forward trio that's right for him at the very top level. That's just not our loosies right now (combined with obstinate coaching)
but yeah, I don't see him as the best 8 in the world
some fucking UK rugby rag has him as the 2nd best player in teh world
i must be watching different games to everyone else, i have to be
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2021:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:
Colour me massively underwhelmed. I am convinced the vast majority of people only watch youtube highlights of games given the absolutely shit takes i constantly see.
I'd happily have him in my AB squad. Great off the bench- and can play a role in a loose forward trio that's right for him at the very top level. That's just not our loosies right now (combined with obstinate coaching)
but yeah, I don't see him as the best 8 in the world
some fucking UK rugby rag has him as the 2nd best player in teh world
i must be watching different games to everyone else, i have to be
but the highlights reel!
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Back row in particular can't work in isolation ie, the three need to be complimentary. Put a Cane/Papali'i and then a Kaino type 6 with Savea and my bet is there would be no arguments about Savea's merits.
I've come to the conclusion Savea and Akira can't play in the same backrow, puts too much pressure on our openside to do the grunt work
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Moody 2024?!
He’s already showing signs of a downward slide.
We need tanks that can scrum AND cart the ball up strong.Probably a bit unfair as the other way to look at it is that it's great not to lose his experience overseas and he can help the young bucks. I just hope he doesn't become a roadblock.
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@tim said in All Blacks 2021:
He's already 33 ...
They are signing old All Blacks on long contracts ...
On the other hand many lament the experience drain when older All Blacks are lost overseas. I am happy for the likes of Moody to.hang around NZ and pass on their knowledge.
