All Blacks 2021
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I don't know if you guys watched the Breakdown tonight, but they discussed TJ Perenara. They said that he's not eligible for the ABs this year, yet, because - unlike BB and Retallick - he doesn't have a contract with NZR. He could become eligible, if he signs with NZR and a SR franchise for next year, but without that, he doesn't qualify. He probably needs to play in NZ first (for Wellington?), too.
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@stargazer said in All Blacks 2021:
... if he signs with NZR and a SR franchise for next year
First, thanks for taking one for the team by watching. I've tried, but there is so little rugby analysis talked aobut it's not funny. So cheers.
Secondly, Blues could use a good halfback ... pair him back up with Otere
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@mofitzy_ said in All Blacks 2021:
@stargazer
Why would he need to play in NZ first?Probably because selection criteria says 'currently playing in NZ'. He would also likely fall into that category to be selected for Super. Needs to come back under the RPA to get into the system.
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@mofitzy_ said in All Blacks 2021:
@crucial
I would've thought contracted would be enough. But if 20 minutes off the bench for a provincial side is all it takes then it isn't a massive hurdle.Not the RPA actually. Have had a look at that and there is a clause that says that national team selection is also dependent on the NZRU National Teams Selection Policy.
That policy wording is harder to track down but in essence is where the NZRU put in place things like not selecting overseas based players.
I did find an old press article (2004) about Henry wanting Reihana and Blowers to be eligible for selection if they returned from the UK."Under NZRU eligibility criteria for overseas players to be eligible for selection for the All Blacks, a player must be eligible under IRB regulations, be contracted by the NZRU, be resident in New Zealand and play, or be available to play, for a New Zealand team in the NPC or Super 12 competition immediately preceding the selection of the All Black team or squad.
However, the policy also says that, at the discretion of the board, a player could on a case by case basis be granted exemption from the fourth criteria."
The NZRU back then were unwilling to waive the fourth criteria due to the possible signal it would send to players (ie play overseas then come back and immediately play for ABs). My guess is that opinion still stands.
So the comment about Perenara was probably correct and he would have known this before going. He needs to come back, sign with Welly and/or the Canes and play, or be available to play, before he can be selected for the ABs.
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@crucial said in All Blacks 2021:
@mofitzy_ said in All Blacks 2021:
@crucial
I would've thought contracted would be enough. But if 20 minutes off the bench for a provincial side is all it takes then it isn't a massive hurdle.Not the RPA actually. Have had a look at that and there is a clause that says that national team selection is also dependent on the NZRU National Teams Selection Policy.
That policy wording is harder to track down but in essence is where the NZRU put in place things like not selecting overseas based players.
I did find an old press article (2004) about Henry wanting Reihana and Blowers to be eligible for selection if they returned from the UK."Under NZRU eligibility criteria for overseas players to be eligible for selection for the All Blacks, a player must be eligible under IRB regulations, be contracted by the NZRU, be resident in New Zealand and play, or be available to play, for a New Zealand team in the NPC or Super 12 competition immediately preceding the selection of the All Black team or squad.
However, the policy also says that, at the discretion of the board, a player could on a case by case basis be granted exemption from the fourth criteria."
The NZRU back then were unwilling to waive the fourth criteria due to the possible signal it would send to players (ie play overseas then come back and immediately play for ABs). My guess is that opinion still stands.
So the comment about Perenara was probably correct and he would have known this before going. He needs to come back, sign with Welly and/or the Canes and play, or be available to play, before he can be selected for the ABs.
Club rugby won't suffice so he needs to. NPC dates aren't out yet are they?All he needs is to be available to play.
There doesn't actually have to be a game at that time.
He could finish in japan and be available to play the next day realistically.
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@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
@crucial said in All Blacks 2021:
@mofitzy_ said in All Blacks 2021:
@crucial
I would've thought contracted would be enough. But if 20 minutes off the bench for a provincial side is all it takes then it isn't a massive hurdle.Not the RPA actually. Have had a look at that and there is a clause that says that national team selection is also dependent on the NZRU National Teams Selection Policy.
That policy wording is harder to track down but in essence is where the NZRU put in place things like not selecting overseas based players.
I did find an old press article (2004) about Henry wanting Reihana and Blowers to be eligible for selection if they returned from the UK."Under NZRU eligibility criteria for overseas players to be eligible for selection for the All Blacks, a player must be eligible under IRB regulations, be contracted by the NZRU, be resident in New Zealand and play, or be available to play, for a New Zealand team in the NPC or Super 12 competition immediately preceding the selection of the All Black team or squad.
However, the policy also says that, at the discretion of the board, a player could on a case by case basis be granted exemption from the fourth criteria."
The NZRU back then were unwilling to waive the fourth criteria due to the possible signal it would send to players (ie play overseas then come back and immediately play for ABs). My guess is that opinion still stands.
So the comment about Perenara was probably correct and he would have known this before going. He needs to come back, sign with Welly and/or the Canes and play, or be available to play, before he can be selected for the ABs.
Club rugby won't suffice so he needs to. NPC dates aren't out yet are they?All he needs is to be available to play.
There doesn't actually have to be a game at that time.
He could finish in japan and be available to play the next day realistically.
No, it is simply as it says. The Super or NPC immediately preceding. If he came back after Super but before NPC then he has to wait until the next NPC starts because he wasn't available for the one preceeding.
Technically you are possibly correct that if he came back when NPC was on and signed up he could go straight to the AB camp but I think that NZR would ask for a game first to be clear to others that they can't just walk back into the ABs from going overseas unless they have arranged a sabbatical. -
I’m also pretty sure that TJ is on sabbatical and they’ve got in wrong. He is not signed for 2022, but he’s signed until the end of 2021 - thus still eligible
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@crucial said in All Blacks 2021:
@mofitzy_ said in All Blacks 2021:
@crucial
I would've thought contracted would be enough. But if 20 minutes off the bench for a provincial side is all it takes then it isn't a massive hurdle.Not the RPA actually. Have had a look at that and there is a clause that says that national team selection is also dependent on the NZRU National Teams Selection Policy.
That policy wording is harder to track down but in essence is where the NZRU put in place things like not selecting overseas based players.
I did find an old press article (2004) about Henry wanting Reihana and Blowers to be eligible for selection if they returned from the UK."Under NZRU eligibility criteria for overseas players to be eligible for selection for the All Blacks, a player must be eligible under IRB regulations, be contracted by the NZRU, be resident in New Zealand and play, or be available to play, for a New Zealand team in the NPC or Super 12 competition immediately preceding the selection of the All Black team or squad.
However, the policy also says that, at the discretion of the board, a player could on a case by case basis be granted exemption from the fourth criteria."
The NZRU back then were unwilling to waive the fourth criteria due to the possible signal it would send to players (ie play overseas then come back and immediately play for ABs). My guess is that opinion still stands.
So the comment about Perenara was probably correct and he would have known this before going. He needs to come back, sign with Welly and/or the Canes and play, or be available to play, before he can be selected for the ABs.
Club rugby won't suffice so he needs to. NPC dates aren't out yet are they?He’s still signed with NZR until the end of 2021, and is on a sabbatical - so they have it wrong he can play this year, same as BB and BBBR
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@crucial said in All Blacks 2021:
So this whole wasted discussion was based on
The Breakdown talking shite?a shit halfback with a big mouth?FTFY
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@crucial said in All Blacks 2021:
So this whole
wasteddiscussion was based onThe Breakdowntalking shite?@mariner4life FIFE
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Sir John Kirwan calls for Beauden Barrett and Brodie Retallick to be benched by All Blacks and urges NZR not to re-sign TJ Perenara
John Kirwan believes Beauden Barrett and Brodie Retallick should be benched by the All Blacks, and that NZR shouldn't re-sign TJ Perenara.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2021:
@tim far out. His analysis skills are limited, and showed up in his coaching.
He is an incredible human being, but I would prise the commentary microphone out of his hand. Coasting on reputation.
Obviously one of my favourite players, but have to agree.
These breaks for opportunities for the players is how we are keeping the best players in NZ. It's a compromise, and if you start being punitive about it they will just leave and not come back.
How would that help the All Blacks?
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2021:
@tim far out. His analysis skills are limited, and showed up in his coaching.
He is an incredible human being, but I would prise the commentary microphone out of his hand. Coasting on reputation.
If you read the whole thing what he said makes more sense.
The rancid bait of saying that BB and BBBR shouldn't come straight back in was a tool to push his barrow about Japanese rugby and how we should open our rugby borders to them and be able to select from within those borders.
Should BB and BBBR automatically start? Not really. Depends on if they are coming in straight off easy games or not. In the 23 to get used to things again for sure. I'm sure that the coaches won't be selecting them on reputation alone.
As for TJ, it's his opinion that we are in a place with halfbacks to secure the services of a couple of players for the same price as re-signing him. Considering that he is only a backup player anyway I can see some logic there. Let's get a backup going that will take over from Nugget eventually. -
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