Rugby Brain Injuries
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Study finds brain disease risk more than double among former rugby internationals
Researchers call for action to reduce the risks of head impact and traumatic brain injury in all sports, as a new study finds former men's rugby internationals have more than double the risk of neurodegenerative disease, with players' risk of motor neurone disease 15 times that of the general...
Say goodbye to the game we all loved. As more of this comes out no way it continues. And it will not only be confined to rugby.
A lot of under-privileged people will have to find another way to provide for their families.
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Just watched the Steve Thompson documentary.
It’s incredibly powerful and heart breaking.
I made a pretty shitty call on Hayman on here a few months back. Absolutely terrible call by me.
You should only watch it if you never want to look at rugby the same way again.
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For those in UK or with a decent VPN.
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Tough watch from Thompson’s perspective
Hope he loses his mind quicker
That might alleviate the suicidal thoughts
He’s part of a cohort of players at the onset of professionalism who are the exception not the norm
Those before them there’s a small incidence
And hopefully from here on in things will change
Sadly we’re going to see a wave of 40 year olds displaying same symptoms for the next 10-15 years
Very easy changes can make the game safer
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Less contact in training
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3-week stand down for HIA (like it used to be)
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Continue down the road of any knock to the head whether accidental or on-purpose is red card and automatic 3-week ban
If the recipient of a head knock has to miss 3-weeks then so too should the perpetrator
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Head guards and gumshields
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Proper tackling technique learned from the outset
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Lead with the head off your feet at the breakdown and it’s red
That’ll do for starters
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@MiketheSnow I agree with points one and two. I definitely don't agree with point three - a rule like that would make the game a mockery. Also point four; headgear doesn't reduce impact force. They aren't helmets.
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@antipodean said in Rugby Brain Injuries:
@MiketheSnow I agree with points one and two. I definitely don't agree with point three - a rule like that would make the game a mockery. Also point four; headgear doesn't reduce impact force. They aren't helmets.
Something drastic has to be done at the tackle
Look what football has done
The filthy Keane 'tackle' highlighted in another thread is a thing of the past
Thankfully
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@MiketheSnow said in Rugby Brain Injuries:
@antipodean said in Rugby Brain Injuries:
@MiketheSnow I agree with points one and two. I definitely don't agree with point three - a rule like that would make the game a mockery. Also point four; headgear doesn't reduce impact force. They aren't helmets.
Something drastic has to be done at the tackle
Look what football has done
The filthy Keane 'tackle' highlighted in another thread is a thing of the past
Thankfully
I agree with the sentiment, but feel eliminating head knocks is a matter of exponentially greater difficulty in a collision sport.
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@antipodean said in Rugby Brain Injuries:
@MiketheSnow said in Rugby Brain Injuries:
@antipodean said in Rugby Brain Injuries:
@MiketheSnow I agree with points one and two. I definitely don't agree with point three - a rule like that would make the game a mockery. Also point four; headgear doesn't reduce impact force. They aren't helmets.
Something drastic has to be done at the tackle
Look what football has done
The filthy Keane 'tackle' highlighted in another thread is a thing of the past
Thankfully
I agree with the sentiment, but feel eliminating head knocks is a matter of exponentially greater difficulty in a collision sport.
Reduction not elimination
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@Frye said in Rugby Brain Injuries:
Majority of head injuries are from tackling — not being tackled.
Increasing sanctions around high shots isn't going to address the problem. It's just a way for World Rugby to reduce their own liability.
See point 5
And reducing head hits can only be a good thing for encouraging parents to let their sons and daughters play
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Then subsequent replays
They’re listening
Red card for illegal clean out at the ruck
This is the area where most head damage occurs IMHO
And where it’s most missed / waved on
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@MiketheSnow there's one way to fix this that doesn't involve Red Cards and that is to enforce the law about binding.
At both rucks and mauls the concept of binding has been ignored for years to produce impact and hits at rucks (along with hand grips being deemed a 'bind' to keep a ball away from defenders at mauls).
I know that the law says a bind can be simultaneous and that is what the refs are looking at when talking about a 'wrap' (which is the wrong thing as a wrap is a term to judge a tackle, not jining a ruck)
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@Crucial said in Rugby Brain Injuries:
@MiketheSnow there's one way to fix this that doesn't involve Red Cards and that is to enforce the law about binding.
At both rucks and mauls the concept of binding has been ignored for years to produce impact and hits at rucks (along with hand grips being deemed a 'bind' to keep a ball away from defenders at mauls).
I know that the law says a bind can be simultaneous and that is what the refs are looking at when talking about a 'wrap' (which is the wrong thing as a wrap is a term to judge a tackle, not jining a ruck)
IMO clear direction around an expectation of a bind to join a ruck will cut down the flying missiles at exposed players.This 1,000,000%
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@Crucial said in Rugby Brain Injuries:
IMO clear direction around an expectation of a bind to join a ruck will cut down the flying missiles at exposed players.
change from impact to more wrestling style - it's not a bad thing, still a good contest. I argued with someone about Bundee Aki red card -he's had years of being coached to be a human missile, so when it goes slightly wrong it's a disaster (always very high risk)
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@nzzp said in Rugby Brain Injuries:
@Crucial said in Rugby Brain Injuries:
IMO clear direction around an expectation of a bind to join a ruck will cut down the flying missiles at exposed players.
change from impact to more wrestling style - it's not a bad thing, still a good contest. I argued with someone about Bundee Aki red card -he's had years of being coached to be a human missile, so when it goes slightly wrong it's a disaster (always very high risk)
Yeah, the other common one is a defender at the back of the ruck trying to disrupt with a collision cleanout against the attacking player standing over the ball. It is a licence to shoulder barge as long as you lift an arm up at the moment and given that there is usually restricted space to bring the inside arm up the risk of getting it wrong is high.
Simple answer to decrease head injuries is to decrease collisions. Not get rid of them entirely, just reduce the times they can happen. Especially the unnecessary ones. -
@Crucial said in Rugby Brain Injuries:
Simple answer to decrease head injuries is to decrease collisions. Not get rid of them entirely, just reduce the times they can happen. Especially the unnecessary ones.
And you have to show people how they have to play the game. Shift tackles below the nipple line, reward chop tackles, aggressively police 'tackled players' - if you go down with contact, that's it - and change how people can play the ball to avoid delayed passes off the deck. Retrospectively ping people who go higher and the ref misses it.
you have to fundamentally change the risk/reward calculus for players nad coaches to change. Right now tackling high with impact makes sense, and chop tackles make no sense for defenders. That hsa to change.
You see how broken our game is that choke tackles have become a thing. Tells you how hard it is to get the ball back by other means (forcing an unintentional maul)
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The Pita Alatini and Andrew Merthans combination was pretty dammed good at avoiding collisions, lots of shouting of "touch ref" and the scrabbling of ankles whilst lying on the ground was observed.
At their time widely lambasted, but maybe they were just ahead of their time??
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@Windows97 said in Rugby Brain Injuries:
The Pita Alatini and Andrew Merthans combination was pretty dammed good at avoiding collisions, lots of shouting of "touch ref" and the scrabbling of ankles whilst lying on the ground was observed.
At their time widely lambasted, but maybe they were just ahead of their time??
I never thought of a Alatini as a particularly poor defender. If you'd mentioned Mauger was ahead of his time I'd fully agree - as seen in this picture:
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Just announced today, but Jason Long is giving up both rugby and speedway due to ongoing concussion issues
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@nzzp said in Rugby Brain Injuries:
@Crucial said in Rugby Brain Injuries:
IMO clear direction around an expectation of a bind to join a ruck will cut down the flying missiles at exposed players.
change from impact to more wrestling style - it's not a bad thing, still a good contest. I argued with someone about Bundee Aki red card -he's had years of being coached to be a human missile, so when it goes slightly wrong it's a disaster (always very high risk)
Yep, one thing I think that can resolve the head injury issues, plus a whole host of other issues in the game, is to turn the contest for space over the ball at the breakdown effectively into a pushing / wrestling contest - much like it used to be in the amateur days where it was effectively 8 forwards trying to push the other 8 forwards off the space over the ball. The starting point for that is to remove the jackler / ban all hands on the ball at the tackle - i honestly don't know how you do that, but IMO the jackler has effectively forced the human missile because that's practically the only way to get him off the ball
