Cricket - best ever, trivia etc
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@mn5 said in Black Caps tour to England:
@crucial said in Black Caps tour to England:
@mn5 said in Black Caps tour to England:
@crucial said in Black Caps tour to England:
@mn5 Paddles way too low if Botham and Khan are used as comparison.
Botham yes, but Imran was the best of the lot all round ( pun intended )
The three were (and are) arguably on a par. To have Paddles 10 spots below those two makes no sense
Hadlee the best bowler but not by much.....and easily the worst batsman. Beefy hard to judge cos his stats suffered at the end......Imran just class all round......and Kapil last ( but can be argued its tough as a pace bowler in India ).
Even all these years later its hard to judge but if I had to pick an ALL ROUNDER I’d have to go Imran.
From those four names? Yep. I’m just making comment on the big gap down to Hadley on that list.
Sobers then Kaliss one and two. -
@mn5 said in Black Caps tour to England:
@crucial said in Black Caps tour to England:
@mn5 said in Black Caps tour to England:
@crucial said in Black Caps tour to England:
@mn5 Paddles way too low if Botham and Khan are used as comparison.
Botham yes, but Imran was the best of the lot all round ( pun intended )
The three were (and are) arguably on a par. To have Paddles 10 spots below those two makes no sense
Hadlee the best bowler but not by much.....and easily the worst batsman. Beefy hard to judge cos his stats suffered at the end......Imran just class all round......and Kapil last ( but can be argued its tough as a pace bowler in India ).
Even all these years later its hard to judge but if I had to pick an ALL ROUNDER I’d have to go Imran.
Both am is a funny one. For many years he was the nuts but this being England a golden boy never gets dropped no matter how poor his performances have become.
See also: David Beckham, Bobby Charlton. Jonny Wilkinson would have joined that list but had better self-awareness.
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@crucial said in Black Caps tour to England:
@mn5 said in Black Caps tour to England:
@crucial said in Black Caps tour to England:
@mn5 said in Black Caps tour to England:
@crucial said in Black Caps tour to England:
@mn5 Paddles way too low if Botham and Khan are used as comparison.
Botham yes, but Imran was the best of the lot all round ( pun intended )
The three were (and are) arguably on a par. To have Paddles 10 spots below those two makes no sense
Hadlee the best bowler but not by much.....and easily the worst batsman. Beefy hard to judge cos his stats suffered at the end......Imran just class all round......and Kapil last ( but can be argued its tough as a pace bowler in India ).
Even all these years later its hard to judge but if I had to pick an ALL ROUNDER I’d have to go Imran.
From those four names? Yep. I’m just making comment on the big gap down to Hadley on that list.
Sobers then Kaliss one and two.Sobers and Kallis were both batting legends but only “good” bowlers whereas the others were pretty much the other way round.
Interesting he has four West Indians in his top ten, quite rightly, all absolute greats but pretty staggering when you consider the state of their team nowadays.
He certainly wasn’t a fan of his contemporary opening batsmen, I know he clashed with Gooch personally and perhaps he found Boycott too boring.
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@crucial said in Black Caps tour to England:
@rotated said in Black Caps tour to England:
Historically we have had some pretty good returns from test debutants ......
Ken Rutherford just got a shiver down his spine.
True, but his son got his first and only test ton on debut. 170 odd?
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@rotated said in Black Caps tour to England:
@crucial said in Black Caps tour to England:
@rotated said in Black Caps tour to England:
Historically we have had some pretty good returns from test debutants ......
Ken Rutherford just got a shiver down his spine.
True, but his son got his first and only test ton on debut. 170 odd?
Indeed. I remember when the sons of Ken and Rod batted together actually.
Whatever happened to Hamish ? He appears to have gone the way of the Dodo.
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@mn5 said in Black Caps tour to England:
@rotated said in Black Caps tour to England:
@crucial said in Black Caps tour to England:
@rotated said in Black Caps tour to England:
Historically we have had some pretty good returns from test debutants ......
Ken Rutherford just got a shiver down his spine.
True, but his son got his first and only test ton on debut. 170 odd?
Indeed. I remember when the sons of Ken and Rod batted together actually.
Whatever happened to Hamish ? He appears to have gone the way of the Dodo.
He is still playing domestic for Otago and putting up solid numbers. He did play a T20 in Sri Lanka at the end of 2019 but I don't he'll be playing for the Black Caps again anytime soon.
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@mn5 said in NZ cricket 2021:
Difficult to disagree, but I'd have swapped BMac and Astle in the order.
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@booboo said in Cricket - best ever, trivia etc:
@mn5 said in NZ cricket 2021:
Difficult to disagree, but I'd have swapped BMac and Astle in the order.
Believe it or not of all of them I reckon Cairns is the one I might get rid of. Whilst his test record was excellent his ODI figures of 29 and 32 respectively aren’t brilliant. He did have some very memorable moments though. Harris and Oram are possibly worth a shout though.
Shit Taylor has a brilliant ODI record. Even better than his very impressive test record.
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@booboo said in Cricket - best ever, trivia etc:
@mn5 said in NZ cricket 2021:
Difficult to disagree, but I'd have swapped BMac and Astle in the order.
BMac to open if batting first and bat lower order if chasing IMO. It always should have been that way.
Flem relative to his contemporaries is better than Guppy IMO but obviously antiquated in the current game.
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@godder said in Cricket - best ever, trivia etc:
The list is a bit muddied by being all white ball cricket, so in that context, BMac opening has more going for it. I'd have Neesham in contention as well, he's one of our great T20 exponents.
Taylor is NZ's greatest ODI batsman.
He is, extraordinary World class record as good or better than loads of international class players from other nations.
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@rotated said in Cricket - best ever, trivia etc:
@godder said in Cricket - best ever, trivia etc:
Taylor is NZ's greatest ODI batsman.
Crowe.
Na, ( but I’ll always remember the 92 WC so fondly )
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Picking based on the eye test only with the exception of Turner whose record is too good to ignore (obviously the game changed).
McCullum/Turner
Ryder
Williamson
Crowe
Taylor
Turner/McCullum
Cairns
Hadlee
Vettori
Boult
BondGuys like Astle, Flem, Harry, Guppy, Oram etc to me you always felt were slightly outmatched against their top contemporaries.
Styris and Southee fighting to carry the drinks.
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@rotated said in Cricket - best ever, trivia etc:
Picking based on the eye test only with the exception of Turner whose record is too good to ignore (obviously the game changed).
McCullum/Turner
Ryder
Williamson
Crowe
Taylor
Turner/McCullum
Cairns
Hadlee
Vettori
Boult
BondGuys like Astle, Flem, Harry, Guppy, Oram etc to me you always felt were slightly outmatched against their top contemporaries.
Styris and Southee fighting to carry the drinks.
I can’t have Astle and Guppy cast aside like that. They’re both exceptional at this form of the game. Ryder certainly deserves a mention though but only played 48 games ( I thought it woulda been heaps more )
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No Aussies? Not even Cummins? Or World No.1 Loosebuschange
Kane and Kylo for the good guys though
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@booboo I guess the fine print says the team was picked before Boxing Day when the Aussies had played only 4 test all year.
Cummins and Hazelwood both make the World XI for me - but, probably not Marnus.
Just about every time I've watched him, he's been gifted multiple lives. Four in his latest hundred and a quick review of the one he made in Brisbane vs India suggests he was dropped twice.
Steve Smith probably makes it - certainly ahead of Marnus in my book. And Wee Davy is a chance - especially if the games are played in Oz.
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@chris-b said in Cricket - best ever, trivia etc:
Cummins and Hazelwood both make the World XI for me - but, probably not Marnus.
Just about every time I've watched him, he's been gifted multiple lives. Four in his latest hundred and a quick review of the one he made in Brisbane vs India suggests he was dropped twice.
Averaged 32 for Glamorgan this year. Hamish Rutherford averaged close to 40 as his replacement. I'll pass.
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