What’s out there at Second Five?
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@chris-b said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
The Fern consensus on Nonu in 2007 was that he was useless. The last two guys arguing for him to be in the RWC squad that year were me and a guy called Mojo.
I wasn't on the Fern then, but he had a massive, massive defensive miss on BOD in Hamilton in '06 that led to many (including me) thinking he should never play at international level again.
From memory, in the 2005 game against Ireland in Ireland he came on and almost scored one of the best tries of the season ... but dropped the ball while grounding. Ran in from 50 odd metres out, beat people with pace, swerve and I think a chip but fumbled at the end. I can't believe that's 16 years ago, man I feel old today
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@chris-b tits for hands (Rodders had the same issue, must be a Wellington thing), one-dimensional, poor lateral movement in defense.
The development of Ma'a Nonu is one of the more remarkable things i have seen. Very few players develop their game to that extent, especially in the pro ranks. And especially when your basic game that got you a contract is probably enough to get you another one overseas.
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@chris-b said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
@canefan said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
@reprobate said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
@canefan said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
@reprobate it may take us a long time to fill the void of a GOAT conversation MF combo like Snake and Nonu
Yep - Nonu's the one we miss the most out of all those greats I reckon, we have pretty decent quality options in the other positions. I guess it's hard to pick a combo and stick with it so it can develop when you don't have 2 quality players to pick in the first place.
As has been said before, Nonu was far from a consensus pick when he first started. But for one reason or another the coaches stuck with him and Smith and were duly rewarded
The Fern consensus on Nonu in 2007 was that he was useless. The last two guys arguing for him to be in the RWC squad that year were me and a guy called Mojo.
Then he played a test off the bench - I think on the wing - and had a mare and even we had to give up on him.
At that stage no-one would have cared if he'd gone overseas and I distinctly recall someone writing, Don't let the door hit your arse on the way out, Nonu".
On that basis, maybe we should have a "Bring back George (Moala) campaign?!
What was wrong with George?
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@nzzp @mariner4life Yeah - I remember that misread on BOD - Ma'a playing the Red Sea to Brian's Moses!
I think the bench cameo in 2007 he might have just clean dropped the ball a couple of times in rapid succession.
Phenomenal improvement afterwards though.
I agree with whomever wrote above that he's been the hardest of the 2011-15 Greats to replace.
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@chris-b said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
@nzzp @mariner4life Yeah - I remember that misread on BOD - Ma'a playing the Red Sea to Brian's Moses!
I think the bench cameo in 2007 he might have just clean dropped the ball a couple of times in rapid succession.
Phenomenal improvement afterwards though.
I agree with whomever wrote above that he's been the hardest of the 2011-15 Greats to replace.
in before @Nepia but the 6 jersey has been sooooo empty
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@mariner4life said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
@chris-b said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
@nzzp @mariner4life Yeah - I remember that misread on BOD - Ma'a playing the Red Sea to Brian's Moses!
I think the bench cameo in 2007 he might have just clean dropped the ball a couple of times in rapid succession.
Phenomenal improvement afterwards though.
I agree with whomever wrote above that he's been the hardest of the 2011-15 Greats to replace.
in before @Nepia but the 6 jersey has been sooooo empty
Do you reckon JK really qualifies as a great?
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Well, you summoned him, so I'll give him something to look at!
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@chris-b said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
@canefan said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
@reprobate said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
@canefan said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
@reprobate it may take us a long time to fill the void of a GOAT conversation MF combo like Snake and Nonu
Yep - Nonu's the one we miss the most out of all those greats I reckon, we have pretty decent quality options in the other positions. I guess it's hard to pick a combo and stick with it so it can develop when you don't have 2 quality players to pick in the first place.
As has been said before, Nonu was far from a consensus pick when he first started. But for one reason or another the coaches stuck with him and Smith and were duly rewarded
The Fern consensus on Nonu in 2007 was that he was useless. The last two guys arguing for him to be in the RWC squad that year were me and a guy called Mojo.
Then he played a test off the bench - I think on the wing - and had a mare and even we had to give up on him.
At that stage no-one would have cared if he'd gone overseas and I distinctly recall someone writing, Don't let the door hit your arse on the way out, Nonu".
On that basis, maybe we should have a "Bring back George (Moala) campaign?!
I joined in 2007. Always been a Nonu guy. We were in the minority that is for sure
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@canefan said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
@chris-b said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
@canefan said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
@reprobate said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
@canefan said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
@reprobate it may take us a long time to fill the void of a GOAT conversation MF combo like Snake and Nonu
Yep - Nonu's the one we miss the most out of all those greats I reckon, we have pretty decent quality options in the other positions. I guess it's hard to pick a combo and stick with it so it can develop when you don't have 2 quality players to pick in the first place.
As has been said before, Nonu was far from a consensus pick when he first started. But for one reason or another the coaches stuck with him and Smith and were duly rewarded
The Fern consensus on Nonu in 2007 was that he was useless. The last two guys arguing for him to be in the RWC squad that year were me and a guy called Mojo.
Then he played a test off the bench - I think on the wing - and had a mare and even we had to give up on him.
At that stage no-one would have cared if he'd gone overseas and I distinctly recall someone writing, Don't let the door hit your arse on the way out, Nonu".
On that basis, maybe we should have a "Bring back George (Moala) campaign?!
I joined in 2007. Always been a Nonu guy. We were in the minority that is for sure
username checks out
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@canefan said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
@chris-b said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
@canefan said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
@reprobate said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
@canefan said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
@reprobate it may take us a long time to fill the void of a GOAT conversation MF combo like Snake and Nonu
Yep - Nonu's the one we miss the most out of all those greats I reckon, we have pretty decent quality options in the other positions. I guess it's hard to pick a combo and stick with it so it can develop when you don't have 2 quality players to pick in the first place.
As has been said before, Nonu was far from a consensus pick when he first started. But for one reason or another the coaches stuck with him and Smith and were duly rewarded
The Fern consensus on Nonu in 2007 was that he was useless. The last two guys arguing for him to be in the RWC squad that year were me and a guy called Mojo.
Then he played a test off the bench - I think on the wing - and had a mare and even we had to give up on him.
At that stage no-one would have cared if he'd gone overseas and I distinctly recall someone writing, Don't let the door hit your arse on the way out, Nonu".
On that basis, maybe we should have a "Bring back George (Moala) campaign?!
I joined in 2007. Always been a Nonu guy. We were in the minority that is for sure
To be fair, very few people could've predicted just how great his skill development could become, turning himself into a complete threat and benchmark for his position.
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@antipodean said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
@canefan said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
@chris-b said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
@canefan said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
@reprobate said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
@canefan said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
@reprobate it may take us a long time to fill the void of a GOAT conversation MF combo like Snake and Nonu
Yep - Nonu's the one we miss the most out of all those greats I reckon, we have pretty decent quality options in the other positions. I guess it's hard to pick a combo and stick with it so it can develop when you don't have 2 quality players to pick in the first place.
As has been said before, Nonu was far from a consensus pick when he first started. But for one reason or another the coaches stuck with him and Smith and were duly rewarded
The Fern consensus on Nonu in 2007 was that he was useless. The last two guys arguing for him to be in the RWC squad that year were me and a guy called Mojo.
Then he played a test off the bench - I think on the wing - and had a mare and even we had to give up on him.
At that stage no-one would have cared if he'd gone overseas and I distinctly recall someone writing, Don't let the door hit your arse on the way out, Nonu".
On that basis, maybe we should have a "Bring back George (Moala) campaign?!
I joined in 2007. Always been a Nonu guy. We were in the minority that is for sure
To be fair, very few people could've predicted just how great his skill development could become, turning himself into a complete threat and benchmark for his position.
Oh yeah, I'm not saying for a minute that I predicted the future. Just thought he was the best at the time
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@canefan said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
Just thought he was the best at the time
then you were deluded.
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@mariner4life said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
@canefan said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
Just thought he was the best at the time
then you were deluded.
But ultimately redeemed
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I don’t think anyone saw him as a 12 did they? He was just a poor man’s Umaga at 13. Nobody could have predicted that he’d develop one of the best passes in the business and become a GOAT 12.
But iirc he still had plenty of doubters on here, even post 2011.
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@chris-b said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
@canefan said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
@reprobate said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
@canefan said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
@reprobate it may take us a long time to fill the void of a GOAT conversation MF combo like Snake and Nonu
Yep - Nonu's the one we miss the most out of all those greats I reckon, we have pretty decent quality options in the other positions. I guess it's hard to pick a combo and stick with it so it can develop when you don't have 2 quality players to pick in the first place.
As has been said before, Nonu was far from a consensus pick when he first started. But for one reason or another the coaches stuck with him and Smith and were duly rewarded
The Fern consensus on Nonu in 2007 was that he was useless. The last two guys arguing for him to be in the RWC squad that year were me and a guy called Mojo.
Then he played a test off the bench - I think on the wing - and had a mare and even we had to give up on him.
At that stage no-one would have cared if he'd gone overseas and I distinctly recall someone writing, Don't let the door hit your arse on the way out, Nonu".
On that basis, maybe we should have a "Bring back George (Moala) campaign?!
Yeah he was well out of it in 07. I think most still saw him as a winger / 13 utility and rightly so as he hadn't settled into a position for the ABs in five years At that stage. Plus we had Mauger and McAlister vying for 12. But from 2008...wow...
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@nostrildamus said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
@chris-b said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
@canefan said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
@reprobate said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
@canefan said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
@reprobate it may take us a long time to fill the void of a GOAT conversation MF combo like Snake and Nonu
Yep - Nonu's the one we miss the most out of all those greats I reckon, we have pretty decent quality options in the other positions. I guess it's hard to pick a combo and stick with it so it can develop when you don't have 2 quality players to pick in the first place.
As has been said before, Nonu was far from a consensus pick when he first started. But for one reason or another the coaches stuck with him and Smith and were duly rewarded
The Fern consensus on Nonu in 2007 was that he was useless. The last two guys arguing for him to be in the RWC squad that year were me and a guy called Mojo.
Then he played a test off the bench - I think on the wing - and had a mare and even we had to give up on him.
At that stage no-one would have cared if he'd gone overseas and I distinctly recall someone writing, Don't let the door hit your arse on the way out, Nonu".
On that basis, maybe we should have a "Bring back George (Moala) campaign?!
What was wrong with George?
So much unfulfilled potential. Very annoying.
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@chris-b said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
@canefan said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
@reprobate said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
@canefan said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
@reprobate it may take us a long time to fill the void of a GOAT conversation MF combo like Snake and Nonu
Yep - Nonu's the one we miss the most out of all those greats I reckon, we have pretty decent quality options in the other positions. I guess it's hard to pick a combo and stick with it so it can develop when you don't have 2 quality players to pick in the first place.
As has been said before, Nonu was far from a consensus pick when he first started. But for one reason or another the coaches stuck with him and Smith and were duly rewarded
The Fern consensus on Nonu in 2007 was that he was useless. The last two guys arguing for him to be in the RWC squad that year were me and a guy called Mojo.
And me.
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2nd 5 options for the ABs in my view, Havili, Goodhue, Ennor.
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@act-crusader said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
2nd 5 options for the ABs in my view, Havili, Goodhue, Ennor.
Doesn't want to be there, doesn't have a leg to stand on, doesn't last a game.
How long will your joke go on for?
I think you'd get more support if you mentioned who should be AB coach.. -
@nostrildamus said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
@act-crusader said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
2nd 5 options for the ABs in my view, Havili, Goodhue, Ennor.
Doesn't want to be there, doesn't have a leg to stand on, doesn't last a game.
How long will your joke go on for?
I think you'd get more support if you mentioned who should be AB coach..I am deadly serious.
