Australia v India
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@NTA said in Australia v India:
@MN5 said in Australia v India:
Yeah I dunno, they've been quite shite in the past and they've had about the same amount of people to select from.
Really?
Look at the last decade:
I count 20 series wins out of 30, and 1 drawn. That isn't too shabby, even if they've struggled in swing-friendly New Zealand
(in the same period, NZ haven't won in India).Over the same period, Australia have won 15 series from 33 (or 34) with 4 drawn. The days of Steve Waugh's legendary sides is long gone.
They've obviously got the coaching set up right.......they've always had the batsmen but they actually have some decent fast bowlers for once as well.
And I think that is actually a product of realising their weaknesses away from home. In England against the Duke, and on green seamers in New Zealand, they weren't doing that well. In Australia we provided them roads to bat on but their bowling wasn't consistent enough.
But it is definitely improving.
While I agree India are finally capitilising on the immense human and financial resources that they have that Table for me illustrates a more telling point.
In the past decade India haven't won a series in NZ, England or South Africa but now they've done it twice in Oz.
Sure India have improved but you guys ....
Haven't looked at the combined ANZAC side thread yet but I assume Starc (always a dubious choice IMO) has been dropped
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@dogmeat said in Australia v India:
Sure India have improved but you guys ....
Which I also pointed out in that post. 😉
Go back ten years and India didn't give a shit about anything but winning at home. They'd crank up the dustbowls and pick 2-3 spinners, batting their way to victory.
The last 5 years they've started to round out their approach a bit more.
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@Siam said in Australia v India:
@MN5 i was saying the playing stocks are low in Aus at the moment regarding test cricket. The ones outside of 3 batsmen and 4 bowlers. You said they're fine and then referenced 40 fucking years ago. I offered up the " cupboard" stock examples but obviously have got it wrong.
So who are these cricketers that are better than Harris, Wade khawaja, head and burns?
Well no you said as bare as it's ever been. I merely pointed out it has been very bare in the past too.
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@Siam said in Australia v India:
Coincided with a time that Sheffield Shield was huge. There were many names that never or hardly played for Oz but would have walked into any national side: law, Elliott, divenuto, hills, siddons, maher even Lehman off the top of my head. You had to make 1000 runs every season for at least 3 to get a mention. Now, nobody gets 1000.
Martin Love - averaged 50 in Sheffield Shield - 46 in the few tests he played, but could barely get a game.
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@Chris-B there's a heap of those guys
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Who is the Australian bowling coach?
There has to be some serious questions there.
They hammered the back of a length but didn't bowl nearly enough at the stumps and really struggled to get the ball to swing at all and certainly didn't bowl the right length to get it to swing either. Lyon's bowling plans were also poor.
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@mariner4life said in Australia v India:
@Chris-B there's a heap of those guys
I know - and we couldn't find an NZ grandparent amongst them?!!
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@KiwiMurph said in Australia v India:
@Chris-B instead we got Matt Sinclair
Can't be denied he started with a hiss and a roar, two double tons in fuck all tests if I remember rightly ?
That era of Australian Cricket was pretty freakish though, From memory Matthew Hayden only got a chance after Tubby Taylor retired ? he had to wait in the wings for quite some time while Tubs and Slats were doing their thing and then obviously eclipsed them and became one of the greatest openers of all time.
I remember reading an article on the two "young guns" who were knocking on the door, Ricky Ponting and Michael Di Venuto. Obviously one of these guys went on to have a slightly better career than the other.
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@KiwiMurph said in Australia v India:
@MN5 Yeah it was a weird career for Sinclair - he got 3 huge scores (2 double tons and a 150) and basically bugger all else. After scoring a double ton on debut he then played 3 tests against Australia where his highest score was 24....
Indeed, he'll be judged historically as yet another Black Caps also ran to be honest.
Back to Australia anyone remember Stuart Law ? when I watched more cricket back in the day he was talked about, 27,080 first class runs at 51.03 and got 54 not out in his only test innings.
Fucken hard to get past Border, Boon and the Waughs on a regular basis I guess.
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@Chris-B said in Australia v India:
@MN5 Didn't realise his average was so good! I see he got 100 hundreds in all forms of state/provincial cricket.
Debuted in the same match as Ricky Ponting ( who got 96 ). Tubby Taylor got this too, Mark Waugh got 111 and Slats got 219. Needless to say they hammered Sri Lanka by an innings.
I think that single test illustrates why a guy as good as Law never played another test. Once Steve Waugh was fit again he had no chance.
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Amazing win by India. To pick the team they did and win at the Gabba? Truly remarkable. I have genuinely never seen anything like it in my time as an Aussie cricket supporter.
We've lost home series before, but it's been to genuinely great sides: South Africa with prime
Franz BothaDale Steyn, England with Cook, KP, Broad, Swann et al.This side doesn't have the names, but man they have ticker.
It's hard as an Aussie fan, as there isn't a glaring scapegoat or error made by anyone. We were just beaten. Sure, Mitch Starc tired badly, Nathan Lyon couldn't find anything when we needed him, too many batsmen made a start and then threw their wicket away.
But there's a very real chance our next test XI will be very close to this one. Pucovski will come in for Harris, and maybe Wade will go IF someone can make Shield runs to displace him. But that's not certain.
They will have to reasses how they play Starc as well. On his day he is world leading. I remember he was imperious in Adelaide, but a broken man by Brisbane. This series is hard to assess on that front, though, with it's bubbles and squads and condensed format without breaks.
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@KiwiMurph said in Australia v India:
@Chris-B instead we got Matt Sinclair
To be serious. We actually got Aaron Redmond and Tama Canning.
As Aussie cricketers from that generation with Kiwi parents who moved to NZ to play.
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@Rapido said in Australia v India:
@KiwiMurph said in Australia v India:
@Chris-B instead we got Matt Sinclair
To be serious. We actually got Aaron Redmond and Tama Canning.
As Aussie cricketers from that generation with Kiwi parents who moved to NZ to play.
Two guys in the finest New Zealand tradition of World Class openers and all rounders.
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@barbarian felt like there were more dropped catches than I'd generally expect of your guys in this series. But I guess that was balanced out by India dropping their share.
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@Paekakboyz said in Australia v India:
@barbarian felt like there were more dropped catches than I'd generally expect of your guys in this series. But I guess that was balanced out by India dropping their share.
I can't remember any clangers, besides Paine on Day 5 in Sydney. Whereas Marnus was dropped about 12 times.
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@barbarian said in Australia v India:
@Paekakboyz said in Australia v India:
@barbarian felt like there were more dropped catches than I'd generally expect of your guys in this series. But I guess that was balanced out by India dropping their share.
I can't remember any clangers, besides Paine on Day 5 in Sydney. Whereas Marnus was dropped about 12 times.
Australia were terrible in the field in melbourne.
