Australia v India
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@MN5 said in Australia v India:
Yeah I dunno, they've been quite shite in the past and they've had about the same amount of people to select from.
Really?
Look at the last decade:
I count 20 series wins out of 30, and 1 drawn. That isn't too shabby, even if they've struggled in swing-friendly New Zealand
(in the same period, NZ haven't won in India).Over the same period, Australia have won 15 series from 33 (or 34) with 4 drawn. The days of Steve Waugh's legendary sides is long gone.
They've obviously got the coaching set up right.......they've always had the batsmen but they actually have some decent fast bowlers for once as well.
And I think that is actually a product of realising their weaknesses away from home. In England against the Duke, and on green seamers in New Zealand, they weren't doing that well. In Australia we provided them roads to bat on but their bowling wasn't consistent enough.
But it is definitely improving.
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@NTA said in Australia v India:
@MN5 said in Australia v India:
Yeah I dunno, they've been quite shite in the past and they've had about the same amount of people to select from.
Really?
Look at the last decade:I count 20 series wins out of 30, and 1 drawn. That isn't too shabby, even if they've struggled in swing-friendly New Zealand
(in the same period, NZ haven't won in India).Over the same period, Australia have won 15 series from 33 (or 34) with 4 drawn. The days of Steve Waugh's legendary sides is long gone.
They've obviously got the coaching set up right.......they've always had the batsmen but they actually have some decent fast bowlers for once as well.
And I think that is actually a product of realising their weaknesses away from home. In England against the Duke, and on green seamers in New Zealand, they weren't doing that well. In Australia we provided them roads to bat on but their bowling wasn't consistent enough.
But it is definitely improving.
Well, shite relatively speaking for a country with a fuckton of players to choose from
I also meant further back than ten years......well I do if it supports my argument at any rate.
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@Rapido said in Australia v India:
If Pattinson hadnt got injured, I reckon they would have rotated Starc out for this test.
I don't know who their 5th choice would have been, Nesser? Bit of a step down? lack of faith in depth beyond first 4?
If Pattinson is out, then maybe Abbott or Nesser. A step down in theory, but on form? We'll never know.
I think Starc's continued inclusion after the Second Test was the belief that he just needed to find a rhythm. However, in that he's similar to Mitch Johnson for me: unless he's on at the start, he's not going to be "on" unless you kick him up the arse.
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@NTA said in Australia v India:
@kev said in Australia v India:
After the Aussie cricketers reverted to type, the world celebrates! Love it.
Huh? Explain.
Easy...everyone admires the Australian Cricket team for their skills. But, there is an aggressiveness / need to win that can turn to nasty sledging and recently to cheating. Supposedly they have worked hard on their culture but Tim Paine demonstrated that it is very hard to change and the needless bullshit is still their. When you behave like dicks you can’t complain if no one else likes you - noting that I am sure they don’t worry about that as they are still a great cricket team.
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and the best news of all is that NZ is now second on the WTC table:
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God this might be gay but I just see a tiny bit of similarity in the slight decline of this aus team and our ABs after such dominance over a long time. Players pretty much the same but now good teams are doing to them what they dined out on for ages.
Declining empires? Probably reaching but something's not the same in both teams
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A session by session analysis for the whole series might be interesting. I thought that 36 was made out to be more than it was. I think it might be top 5 in the most amazing things ever in the history of test cricket. Or maybe I was just pissed that I was playing club cricket, Aussies were spoofing all over the place and my night of cricket viewing and beers was stymied. A couple sneered at me for my reluctance to celebrate 😄
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@NTA said in Australia v India:
@ARHS said in Australia v India:
Amazing stuff from such an inexperienced side missing so many regulars.
Ponting in comms was saying on Day 3 that guys like Washington and Siraj are exposed to so much high level play at home now, along with mentoring from international players and coaches through IPL and other competitions.
Sure, you can only get 11 out there at a time, but when you're selecting those 11 from the best of a nation that large, it has to have an effect.
At the same time we debuted a couple of blokes who did alright, but I think we gave Starc too many chances instead of trying someone else, and obviously the batting didn't perform well enough in the first 2 Tests.
Sure exposure to top players, but to execute at test level is still another thing. What it also doesn't show that they had to use 20 players for this series, and it is not like you can fly anyone else in at short notice for injuries. None of your stats are comparable for that type of scenario. In fact there is probably not too many comparable anyway. It is a remarkable achievement and it should just be left at that!
Im also still in shock at how far Starc has fallen, when he is on form he is unplayable, but has been so inconsistent of late.
Incredible series that could have gone any different way, I suspect Paine's "cant wait to get you to the Gabba" will be replayed even more now, which although funny is also shit, because it does detract from the cricket from both teams.
Lastly surely it is not illegal to clone Pat Cummins , Australia should look into that, although on a losing team he would be one of my first picked bowlers worldwide.
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@kev said in Australia v India:
Supposedly they have worked hard on their culture but Tim Paine demonstrated that it is very hard to change and the needless bullshit is still their
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@kev said in Australia v India:
When you behave like dicks you can’t complain if no one else likes you - noting that I am sure they don’t worry about that as they are still a great cricket team.
I'll assume you didn't see Paine apologise at a press conference initiated by him.
Being your first post in the entire thread I guess you missed that.
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@NTA said in Australia v India:
@kev said in Australia v India:
Supposedly they have worked hard on their culture but Tim Paine demonstrated that it is very hard to change and the needless bullshit is still their
*there
@kev said in Australia v India:
When you behave like dicks you can’t complain if no one else likes you - noting that I am sure they don’t worry about that as they are still a great cricket team.
I'll assume you didn't see Paine apologise at a press conference initiated by him.
Being your first post in the entire thread I guess you missed that.
@Virgil seems to have retired from the fern so looks like @kev has taken up the mantle of Aussie bashing.
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@bayimports said in Australia v India:
Incredible series that could have gone any different way, I suspect Paine's "cant wait to get you to the Gabba" will be replayed even more now, which although funny is also shit, because it does detract from the cricket from both teams.
Made doubly funny by the fact Ashwin didn't play anyway.
@bayimports said in Australia v India:
Sure exposure to top players, but to execute at test level is still another thing.
I'm not sure what the first class scenario in India is like, but I think it would be slightly more broad (if more variable in quality) than Sheffield Shield.
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@MN5 said in Australia v India:
@NTA said in Australia v India:
@kev said in Australia v India:
Supposedly they have worked hard on their culture but Tim Paine demonstrated that it is very hard to change and the needless bullshit is still their
*there
@kev said in Australia v India:
When you behave like dicks you can’t complain if no one else likes you - noting that I am sure they don’t worry about that as they are still a great cricket team.
I'll assume you didn't see Paine apologise at a press conference initiated by him.
Being your first post in the entire thread I guess you missed that.
@Virgil seems to have retired from the fern so looks like @kev has taken up the mantle of Aussie bashing.
Where IS he anyway? I thought he'd be de-gloving himself at the fact Warner didn't get a ton.
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@kev said in Australia v India:
@NTA only after he was told too. His first up response was nothing to see here.
But he did it. So clearly he acknowledged the pressure of further opinion was unfavourable and his coaching staff told him it wasn't up to scratch.
That's how feedback works.
