Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years
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@bayimports said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@MN5 said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
Windies
Richards
Marshall
Lara
Ambrose
Still deciding on a fifthGiven 50 years hits the 70's this is tough
Sobers, Greenidge, Lloyd, Holding, Garner, Walsh
and more recently Chanderpaul
this is a tough 5!
Sobers misses out cos of the time frame
I’d have to pick Garner, Holding or Walsh out of that bunch.
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@MN5 said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@mariner4life said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@MN5 said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
England
Beefy
Holy shit, tough here.....Gooch, Cook ?
England haven’t in all honestly had many test legends that stand out ( willing to be corrected )
England were dogshit for ages.
Jimmy Anderson is as good a swing bowler as there has been.
Pietersen ? Style and a bit of mongrel.
England have had a bunch of ‘good’ players over this period but fuck all legends.
Based on that Gooch and Boycott get in. Bob Willis too ?
I would argue the quality of Root is there now, Cook kills on runs, but best over 50 years, I doubt, maybe lol? Broad has 500 wickets too
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@mariner4life said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@MN5 said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
SL
Sangakara
Murali
JayawardneTwo more options available
Aravinda
And I've got a soft spot for Chaminda Vaas
Agree, 300 test wickets still means something even now, but especially from countries that play less test cricket like us and Sri Lanka.
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right will give the aussies a go
Warne, McGrath, Ponting, S Waugh ..... and Steve Smith I would argue is there now
too many over achieving convicts mentions to list and easily select a another 5 players
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@MN5 said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
India
Gavaskar
Dev
Tendulkar
Dravid
KohliProbably spot on, Kumble also honorable mention
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Australian ‘honourable mention’ list
Border
Lillee
G Chappell
Ponting
Hayden
Hussey.....
and then other fine players like M Waugh, Taylor, Boon, Slater, D Jones, McDermott, Thomson.....
Jeepers
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@MN5 said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
England
Beefy
Holy shit, tough here.....Gooch, Cook ?
England haven’t in all honestly had many test legends that stand out ( willing to be corrected )
Botham
Willis (300+ wickets when they really meant something)
Alan Knott (contender for best wicket keeper ever)
Anderson
Gooch (genuine great opener)Tony Greig, Cook, Gower and Boycott would also be solid options.
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@bayimports there's a solid argument for Smith being first on the list, dare I say it
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@Siam said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@MN5 Greenidge because I had breakfast with him and he knows my name - "kiwi", (but I don't think he likes me...😒, I was a bit too "needy" I think)
ha ha, I met the universe boss last year and I also think I had too many questions for his liking and probably came across a bit annoying, still I was drunk and had fun asking
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@Crucial said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
Tests:
M Crowe
KW
R Taylor
HadleeConsidering Turner (but then you'd also have to consider Rigor who has a similar record), Reid (not enough tests?), Bond (not enough tests? Clearly our best strike rate), Baz (not our best keeper and also not among the best bats, but as a bat/keeper? up there). Vettori or Fleming as most test contributions. It's quite hard.
If I apply the criteria of who would be is discussion for a spot in a world XI? Def the ones named plus maybe Bond, maybe Watling (although his stats are very good he would probably be 5th or 6th choice behind much stronger candidates like Dhoni and Gilchrist.)
@MN5 said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@NTA said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@Crucial said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
Test? ODI? Seperate lists?
Mate just try to get to 5 first
You wouldn’t be so cocky if the A stood for Afghanistan.
Fuck me, some legends would miss out on the top five aussies though.
Ponting wouldn’t make my team just as one example.
He would if 'A' stood for asshole.
Mate, who do you think was a better keeper. Focussing on just that I can't recall Baz dropping many, Parore did, but maybe fatguts commentator was the tidiest of all?
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Twice in this thread there are posts that include the word 'honourable' while commenting on Australian cricketers.
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To answer the original question, the first name that came to mind was Sir Paddles.
Hadlee
M Crowe
Williamson
Taylor
C CairnsWicketkeeper tends to be a debate, but I think we've had a series of world-class test keepers, so if someone named one in the list, it would definitely be defensible.
Taylor tends to be in the shadow of Kane, and the captaincy saga and his cavalier attitude earlier in his career sometimes overshadow his contributions a bit, but in my view, he's our greatest ever batsman on the stats of his career in all formats. He's obviously closer to the end than the beginning of his career, and when he goes, he will leave very big boots to fill.
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@Siam said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@Crucial said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
Tests:
M Crowe
KW
R Taylor
HadleeConsidering Turner (but then you'd also have to consider Rigor who has a similar record), Reid (not enough tests?), Bond (not enough tests? Clearly our best strike rate), Baz (not our best keeper and also not among the best bats, but as a bat/keeper? up there). Vettori or Fleming as most test contributions. It's quite hard.
If I apply the criteria of who would be is discussion for a spot in a world XI? Def the ones named plus maybe Bond, maybe Watling (although his stats are very good he would probably be 5th or 6th choice behind much stronger candidates like Dhoni and Gilchrist.)
@MN5 said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@NTA said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@Crucial said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
Test? ODI? Seperate lists?
Mate just try to get to 5 first
You wouldn’t be so cocky if the A stood for Afghanistan.
Fuck me, some legends would miss out on the top five aussies though.
Ponting wouldn’t make my team just as one example.
He would if 'A' stood for asshole.
Mate, who do you think was a better keeper. Focussing on just that I can't recall Baz dropping many, Parore did, but maybe fatguts commentator was the tidiest of all?
Purely as a keeper I seem to recall Smithy being the last of our true specialists. We seem to have filled the position with batsmen that can keep ever since.
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@Siam said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
Greenidge because I had breakfast with him
Here we go...
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@MN5 said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@nzzp said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@mariner4life said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
you would struggle to pick the 5 greatest Australian Cricketers from 95-2005
McGrath, Ponting, SWaugh, Warne, then probably Hayden (redefined opening)
Gilly and Smith along with McGrath, Warne and Waugh. But again, what a tough list !!!!?
I think that’s probably right. AB and Punter very unlucky to miss out
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@bayimports said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
right will give the aussies a go
Warne, McGrath, Ponting, S Waugh ..... and Steve Smith I would argue is there now
too many over achieving convicts mentions to consider and no Gilly FFS and easily select a another 5 players
@Crucial fixed mine
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@junior said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@MN5 said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@nzzp said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@mariner4life said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
you would struggle to pick the 5 greatest Australian Cricketers from 95-2005
McGrath, Ponting, SWaugh, Warne, then probably Hayden (redefined opening)
Gilly and Smith along with McGrath, Warne and Waugh. But again, what a tough list !!!!?
I think that’s probably right. AB and Punter very unlucky to miss out
Amongst others. Greg Chappell and Lillee have great records too
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@Godder said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
To answer the original question, the first name that came to mind was Sir Paddles.
Hadlee
M Crowe
Williamson
Taylor
C CairnsWicketkeeper tends to be a debate, but I think we've had a series of world-class test keepers, so if someone named one in the list, it would definitely be defensible.
Taylor tends to be in the shadow of Kane, and the captaincy saga and his cavalier attitude earlier in his career sometimes overshadow his contributions a bit, but in my view, he's our greatest ever batsman on the stats of his career in all formats. He's obviously closer to the end than the beginning of his career, and when he goes, he will leave very big boots to fill.
Seeing someone pick Cairns makes me happy
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@MN5 said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@Godder said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
To answer the original question, the first name that came to mind was Sir Paddles.
Hadlee
M Crowe
Williamson
Taylor
C CairnsWicketkeeper tends to be a debate, but I think we've had a series of world-class test keepers, so if someone named one in the list, it would definitely be defensible.
Taylor tends to be in the shadow of Kane, and the captaincy saga and his cavalier attitude earlier in his career sometimes overshadow his contributions a bit, but in my view, he's our greatest ever batsman on the stats of his career in all formats. He's obviously closer to the end than the beginning of his career, and when he goes, he will leave very big boots to fill.
Seeing someone pick Cairns makes me happy
Like Botham, he could absolutely destroy the opposition with the ball or bat, and he was even a good fielder. No matter how bad the game position, he could and did win games with ball and bat.
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@Crucial said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@Siam said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@Crucial said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
Tests:
M Crowe
KW
R Taylor
HadleeConsidering Turner (but then you'd also have to consider Rigor who has a similar record), Reid (not enough tests?), Bond (not enough tests? Clearly our best strike rate), Baz (not our best keeper and also not among the best bats, but as a bat/keeper? up there). Vettori or Fleming as most test contributions. It's quite hard.
If I apply the criteria of who would be is discussion for a spot in a world XI? Def the ones named plus maybe Bond, maybe Watling (although his stats are very good he would probably be 5th or 6th choice behind much stronger candidates like Dhoni and Gilchrist.)
@MN5 said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@NTA said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@Crucial said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
Test? ODI? Seperate lists?
Mate just try to get to 5 first
You wouldn’t be so cocky if the A stood for Afghanistan.
Fuck me, some legends would miss out on the top five aussies though.
Ponting wouldn’t make my team just as one example.
He would if 'A' stood for asshole.
Mate, who do you think was a better keeper. Focussing on just that I can't recall Baz dropping many, Parore did, but maybe fatguts commentator was the tidiest of all?
Purely as a keeper I seem to recall Smithy being the last of our true specialists. We seem to have filled the position with batsmen that can keep ever since.
I would rate Smith as the best keeper I've seen play (so from about 1988 onwards). He despised Parore, but said on commentary near the end of Parore's career that he was the best in the world as a keeper, so that tells me that Parore was legitimately good at it. Baz was also world class, as is Watling now.
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@MN5 said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@junior said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@MN5 said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@nzzp said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@mariner4life said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
you would struggle to pick the 5 greatest Australian Cricketers from 95-2005
McGrath, Ponting, SWaugh, Warne, then probably Hayden (redefined opening)
Gilly and Smith along with McGrath, Warne and Waugh. But again, what a tough list !!!!?
I think that’s probably right. AB and Punter very unlucky to miss out
Amongst others. Greg Chappell and Lillee have great records too
And Rod Marsh...
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@Godder said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@MN5 said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@Godder said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
To answer the original question, the first name that came to mind was Sir Paddles.
Hadlee
M Crowe
Williamson
Taylor
C CairnsWicketkeeper tends to be a debate, but I think we've had a series of world-class test keepers, so if someone named one in the list, it would definitely be defensible.
Taylor tends to be in the shadow of Kane, and the captaincy saga and his cavalier attitude earlier in his career sometimes overshadow his contributions a bit, but in my view, he's our greatest ever batsman on the stats of his career in all formats. He's obviously closer to the end than the beginning of his career, and when he goes, he will leave very big boots to fill.
Seeing someone pick Cairns makes me happy
Like Botham, he could absolutely destroy the opposition with the ball or bat, and he was even a good fielder. No matter how bad the game position, he could and did win games with ball and bat.
Spot on, won games for us. Also we'll always have the champions trophy he singlehandedly won, despite the alleged shenanigans at the end of his career.
On form, outstanding
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@Godder said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@Crucial said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@Siam said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@Crucial said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
Tests:
M Crowe
KW
R Taylor
HadleeConsidering Turner (but then you'd also have to consider Rigor who has a similar record), Reid (not enough tests?), Bond (not enough tests? Clearly our best strike rate), Baz (not our best keeper and also not among the best bats, but as a bat/keeper? up there). Vettori or Fleming as most test contributions. It's quite hard.
If I apply the criteria of who would be is discussion for a spot in a world XI? Def the ones named plus maybe Bond, maybe Watling (although his stats are very good he would probably be 5th or 6th choice behind much stronger candidates like Dhoni and Gilchrist.)
@MN5 said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@NTA said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@Crucial said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
Test? ODI? Seperate lists?
Mate just try to get to 5 first
You wouldn’t be so cocky if the A stood for Afghanistan.
Fuck me, some legends would miss out on the top five aussies though.
Ponting wouldn’t make my team just as one example.
He would if 'A' stood for asshole.
Mate, who do you think was a better keeper. Focussing on just that I can't recall Baz dropping many, Parore did, but maybe fatguts commentator was the tidiest of all?
Purely as a keeper I seem to recall Smithy being the last of our true specialists. We seem to have filled the position with batsmen that can keep ever since.
I would rate Smith as the best keeper I've seen play (so from about 1988 onwards). He despised Parore, but said on commentary near the end of Parore's career that he was the best in the world as a keeper, so that tells me that Parore was legitimately good at it. Baz was also world class, as is Watling now.
Seen too many fumbles and drops for Watling. Dropped a couple in one innings I think. It's an incredible standard but BJ isn't as natural as the other 3.
Not many peer players liked Adam. Remember one telling me standing at first slip, Parore dropped one that went between them and immediately turned to state " that was yours you effing c". And that was the end of the matter. A beautiful wicket-keeper though. Smithy seldom dived and a can't recall a single clanger (not saying there wasn't one). Baz was really tidy, good energy and relished "speccys". Not many errors spring to mind. -
@Siam said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@Godder said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@Crucial said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@Siam said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@Crucial said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
Tests:
M Crowe
KW
R Taylor
HadleeConsidering Turner (but then you'd also have to consider Rigor who has a similar record), Reid (not enough tests?), Bond (not enough tests? Clearly our best strike rate), Baz (not our best keeper and also not among the best bats, but as a bat/keeper? up there). Vettori or Fleming as most test contributions. It's quite hard.
If I apply the criteria of who would be is discussion for a spot in a world XI? Def the ones named plus maybe Bond, maybe Watling (although his stats are very good he would probably be 5th or 6th choice behind much stronger candidates like Dhoni and Gilchrist.)
@MN5 said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@NTA said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@Crucial said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
Test? ODI? Seperate lists?
Mate just try to get to 5 first
You wouldn’t be so cocky if the A stood for Afghanistan.
Fuck me, some legends would miss out on the top five aussies though.
Ponting wouldn’t make my team just as one example.
He would if 'A' stood for asshole.
Mate, who do you think was a better keeper. Focussing on just that I can't recall Baz dropping many, Parore did, but maybe fatguts commentator was the tidiest of all?
Purely as a keeper I seem to recall Smithy being the last of our true specialists. We seem to have filled the position with batsmen that can keep ever since.
I would rate Smith as the best keeper I've seen play (so from about 1988 onwards). He despised Parore, but said on commentary near the end of Parore's career that he was the best in the world as a keeper, so that tells me that Parore was legitimately good at it. Baz was also world class, as is Watling now.
Seen too many fumbles and drops for Watling. Dropped a couple in one innings I think. It's an incredible standard but BJ isn't as natural as the other 3.
Not many peer players liked Adam. Remember one telling me standing at first slip, Parore dropped one that went between them and immediately turned to state " that was yours you effing c". And that was the end of the matter. A beautiful wicket-keeper though. Smithy seldom dived and a can't recall a single clanger (not saying there wasn't one). Baz was really tidy, good energy and relished "speccys". Not many errors spring to mind.Smithy (yes, the same guy that waddles the sidelines now) had the best footwork. Never got caught flat-footed.
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@Crucial Smithy was a fit specimen in his day. There will be scores of middle aged kiwi chicks either cringing or giggling everytime they see a wide shot of our beloved corpulent commentator on the tele.
"Jesus Christ I fucked that? cue giggle/cringe 🙂
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@Crucial said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@Siam said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@Godder said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@Crucial said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@Siam said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@Crucial said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
Tests:
M Crowe
KW
R Taylor
HadleeConsidering Turner (but then you'd also have to consider Rigor who has a similar record), Reid (not enough tests?), Bond (not enough tests? Clearly our best strike rate), Baz (not our best keeper and also not among the best bats, but as a bat/keeper? up there). Vettori or Fleming as most test contributions. It's quite hard.
If I apply the criteria of who would be is discussion for a spot in a world XI? Def the ones named plus maybe Bond, maybe Watling (although his stats are very good he would probably be 5th or 6th choice behind much stronger candidates like Dhoni and Gilchrist.)
@MN5 said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@NTA said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@Crucial said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
Test? ODI? Seperate lists?
Mate just try to get to 5 first
You wouldn’t be so cocky if the A stood for Afghanistan.
Fuck me, some legends would miss out on the top five aussies though.
Ponting wouldn’t make my team just as one example.
He would if 'A' stood for asshole.
Mate, who do you think was a better keeper. Focussing on just that I can't recall Baz dropping many, Parore did, but maybe fatguts commentator was the tidiest of all?
Purely as a keeper I seem to recall Smithy being the last of our true specialists. We seem to have filled the position with batsmen that can keep ever since.
I would rate Smith as the best keeper I've seen play (so from about 1988 onwards). He despised Parore, but said on commentary near the end of Parore's career that he was the best in the world as a keeper, so that tells me that Parore was legitimately good at it. Baz was also world class, as is Watling now.
Seen too many fumbles and drops for Watling. Dropped a couple in one innings I think. It's an incredible standard but BJ isn't as natural as the other 3.
Not many peer players liked Adam. Remember one telling me standing at first slip, Parore dropped one that went between them and immediately turned to state " that was yours you effing c". And that was the end of the matter. A beautiful wicket-keeper though. Smithy seldom dived and a can't recall a single clanger (not saying there wasn't one). Baz was really tidy, good energy and relished "speccys". Not many errors spring to mind.Smithy (yes, the same guy that waddles the sidelines now) had the best footwork. Never got caught flat-footed.
back in the mid 90's when he started his corpulent journey, there was a hand made sign at the cricket that just said
'squeal like a stuck pig Smithy'
oh, how I laughed...
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@Crucial Turner makes my list after the 3 certainties (Hadlee, Crowe, Williamson).
Don’t know about the 5th, there’s a massive group of “really good on their day”, “finally came good” and “didn’t let the team down” types...
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@nzzp said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@mariner4life said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
you would struggle to pick the 5 greatest Australian Cricketers from 95-2005
McGrath, Ponting, SWaugh, Warne, then probably Hayden (redefined opening)
If we’re applying the last 50 years:
Warne, Ponting, S. Waugh, Lillee, Border
Next tier: McGrath, S. Smith, Gilchrist, Hayden, G. Chappell
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@ACT-Crusader said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@nzzp said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@mariner4life said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
you would struggle to pick the 5 greatest Australian Cricketers from 95-2005
McGrath, Ponting, SWaugh, Warne, then probably Hayden (redefined opening)
If we’re applying the last 50 years:
Warne, Ponting, S. Waugh, Lillee, Border
Next tier: McGrath, S. Smith, Gilchrist, Hayden, G. Chappell
Only Warne unquestionably makes your top tier in my opinion. The others are all greats but McGrath > Lillee stands out the most in that bunch.
Some of the others are a coin toss.....plus they have loads of guys who were merely ‘very good’.....
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NZ - Hadlee, Crowe, Williamson, Turner, Cairns.
India - Gavaskar, Dev, Kumble, Tendulkar, Dravid
SA - Richards, G Pollock, Kallis, Donald, Rice
Aus - Border, Warne, McGrath, G Chappell, Lilliee
Pakistan - Akram, Miandad, Waqar, Inzamam, Imran Khan
WI - Richards, Garner, Sobers, Marshall, Holding
England - Cook, Botham, Willis, Anderson, Flintoff
Sri Lanka - Murali, Sangakkara, Jayawardene, Vaas, Ranatunga
Zimbabwe - A Flower, Houghton, Streak, Goodwin, Taylor
Bangladesh - Al Hasan, Tamim, Rafique, Bashar, Mushfiqur -
@African-Monkey said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
India - Gavaskar, Dev, Kumble, Tendulkar, Dravid
No Dhoni is going to seriously set off the Indians on this board (if we have any)
WI - Richards, Garner, Sobers, Marshall, Holding
No Brian Lara?
England - Cook, Botham, Willis, Anderson, Flintoff
Wow. It speaks to how badly they were pummelled in the Ashes from the late-80s to mid-00s that there's literally no one from that period.
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@MN5 said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@ACT-Crusader said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@nzzp said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@mariner4life said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
you would struggle to pick the 5 greatest Australian Cricketers from 95-2005
McGrath, Ponting, SWaugh, Warne, then probably Hayden (redefined opening)
If we’re applying the last 50 years:
Warne, Ponting, S. Waugh, Lillee, Border
Next tier: McGrath, S. Smith, Gilchrist, Hayden, G. Chappell
Only Warne unquestionably makes your top tier in my opinion. The others are all greats but McGrath > Lillee stands out the most in that bunch.
Some of the others are a coin toss.....plus they have loads of guys who were merely ‘very good’.....
Ponting is arguably the best batsman Australia has had since Bradman, so he and Warne are guaranteed in there.
Agree there are close calls on the others. Toughest one for me was Border over Steve Smith. Border’s captaincy of an Australian team that really didn’t have a huge amount of world class talent in a very tough era, got him the nod.
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@junior Lara and one of Garner, Marshall and Holding was what I was tossing up between. I found it too hard to leave one of the other 3 out.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@MN5 said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@ACT-Crusader said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@nzzp said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@mariner4life said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
you would struggle to pick the 5 greatest Australian Cricketers from 95-2005
McGrath, Ponting, SWaugh, Warne, then probably Hayden (redefined opening)
If we’re applying the last 50 years:
Warne, Ponting, S. Waugh, Lillee, Border
Next tier: McGrath, S. Smith, Gilchrist, Hayden, G. Chappell
Only Warne unquestionably makes your top tier in my opinion. The others are all greats but McGrath > Lillee stands out the most in that bunch.
Some of the others are a coin toss.....plus they have loads of guys who were merely ‘very good’.....
Ponting is arguably the best batsman Australia has had since Bradman, so he and Warne are guaranteed in there.
Agree there are close calls on the others. Toughest one for me was Border over Steve Smith. Border’s captaincy of an Australian team that really didn’t have a huge amount of world class talent in a very tough era, got him the nod.
Nothing against Ponting who is a great by any era but in my opinion he doesn’t make an all time Oz team either. You have Hayden and someone else opening ( this is a relatively weak pool comparatively speaking ). Bradman at three and I just can’t not pick Steve Smith at four. Then you have middle order/All Rounders and a keeper to get in so that’s between Border, S Waugh ( one of whom may have to miss out ), Gilly ( who walks in ) and Keith Miller. Border and S Waugh both did their best work at 5/6 from memory. One gets in, possibly both.....
.....and I didn’t even get to mention Greg Chappell
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@African-Monkey said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
NZ - Hadlee, Crowe, Williamson, Turner, Cairns.
India - Gavaskar, Dev, Kumble, Tendulkar, Dravid
SA - Richards, G Pollock, Kallis, Donald, Rice
Aus - Border, Warne, McGrath, G Chappell, Lilliee
Pakistan - Akram, Miandad, Waqar, Inzamam, Imran Khan
WI - Richards, Garner, Sobers, Marshall, Holding
England - Cook, Botham, Willis, Anderson, Flintoff
Sri Lanka - Murali, Sangakkara, Jayawardene, Vaas, Ranatunga
Zimbabwe - A Flower, Houghton, Streak, Goodwin, Taylor
Bangladesh - Al Hasan, Tamim, Rafique, Bashar, MushfiqurThe fact you pick Flintoff shows that loads of their true legends are long gone.
Ambrose should be in ahead of Holding and Garner surely
The SA guys you picked had massive first class records but surely you can find a few from recent times ?
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@ACT-Crusader said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
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@mariner4life said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
you would struggle to pick the 5 greatest Australian Cricketers from 95-2005
McGrath, Ponting, SWaugh, Warne, then probably Hayden (redefined opening)
If we’re applying the last 50 years:
Mine was in response to trying to pick the top Aussies from the 90's
It's a ferocious lineup - would go up against damn near any other open grade I suspect.
McGrath, Warne, SWaugh, Ponting, Gilchrist. I mean, that is some spine. Pad that out with two other fast bowlers, and some token batsmen and you beat most sides in the world
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