Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years
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@Crucial said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
Tests:
M Crowe
KW
R Taylor
HadleeConsidering Turner (but then you'd also have to consider Rigor who has a similar record), Reid (not enough tests?), Bond (not enough tests? Clearly our best strike rate), Baz (not our best keeper and also not among the best bats, but as a bat/keeper? up there). Vettori or Fleming as most test contributions. It's quite hard.
If I apply the criteria of who would be is discussion for a spot in a world XI? Def the ones named plus maybe Bond, maybe Watling (although his stats are very good he would probably be 5th or 6th choice behind much stronger candidates like Dhoni and Gilchrist.)
@MN5 said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@NTA said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@Crucial said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
Test? ODI? Seperate lists?
Mate just try to get to 5 first
You wouldn’t be so cocky if the A stood for Afghanistan.
Fuck me, some legends would miss out on the top five aussies though.
Ponting wouldn’t make my team just as one example.
He would if 'A' stood for asshole.
Mate, who do you think was a better keeper. Focussing on just that I can't recall Baz dropping many, Parore did, but maybe fatguts commentator was the tidiest of all?
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To answer the original question, the first name that came to mind was Sir Paddles.
Hadlee
M Crowe
Williamson
Taylor
C CairnsWicketkeeper tends to be a debate, but I think we've had a series of world-class test keepers, so if someone named one in the list, it would definitely be defensible.
Taylor tends to be in the shadow of Kane, and the captaincy saga and his cavalier attitude earlier in his career sometimes overshadow his contributions a bit, but in my view, he's our greatest ever batsman on the stats of his career in all formats. He's obviously closer to the end than the beginning of his career, and when he goes, he will leave very big boots to fill.
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@Siam said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@Crucial said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
Tests:
M Crowe
KW
R Taylor
HadleeConsidering Turner (but then you'd also have to consider Rigor who has a similar record), Reid (not enough tests?), Bond (not enough tests? Clearly our best strike rate), Baz (not our best keeper and also not among the best bats, but as a bat/keeper? up there). Vettori or Fleming as most test contributions. It's quite hard.
If I apply the criteria of who would be is discussion for a spot in a world XI? Def the ones named plus maybe Bond, maybe Watling (although his stats are very good he would probably be 5th or 6th choice behind much stronger candidates like Dhoni and Gilchrist.)
@MN5 said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@NTA said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@Crucial said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
Test? ODI? Seperate lists?
Mate just try to get to 5 first
You wouldn’t be so cocky if the A stood for Afghanistan.
Fuck me, some legends would miss out on the top five aussies though.
Ponting wouldn’t make my team just as one example.
He would if 'A' stood for asshole.
Mate, who do you think was a better keeper. Focussing on just that I can't recall Baz dropping many, Parore did, but maybe fatguts commentator was the tidiest of all?
Purely as a keeper I seem to recall Smithy being the last of our true specialists. We seem to have filled the position with batsmen that can keep ever since.
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@MN5 said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@nzzp said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@mariner4life said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
you would struggle to pick the 5 greatest Australian Cricketers from 95-2005
McGrath, Ponting, SWaugh, Warne, then probably Hayden (redefined opening)
Gilly and Smith along with McGrath, Warne and Waugh. But again, what a tough list !!!!?
I think that’s probably right. AB and Punter very unlucky to miss out
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@bayimports said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
right will give the aussies a go
Warne, McGrath, Ponting, S Waugh ..... and Steve Smith I would argue is there now
too many over achieving convicts mentions to consider and no Gilly FFS and easily select a another 5 players
@Crucial fixed mine
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@junior said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@MN5 said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@nzzp said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@mariner4life said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
you would struggle to pick the 5 greatest Australian Cricketers from 95-2005
McGrath, Ponting, SWaugh, Warne, then probably Hayden (redefined opening)
Gilly and Smith along with McGrath, Warne and Waugh. But again, what a tough list !!!!?
I think that’s probably right. AB and Punter very unlucky to miss out
Amongst others. Greg Chappell and Lillee have great records too
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@Godder said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
To answer the original question, the first name that came to mind was Sir Paddles.
Hadlee
M Crowe
Williamson
Taylor
C CairnsWicketkeeper tends to be a debate, but I think we've had a series of world-class test keepers, so if someone named one in the list, it would definitely be defensible.
Taylor tends to be in the shadow of Kane, and the captaincy saga and his cavalier attitude earlier in his career sometimes overshadow his contributions a bit, but in my view, he's our greatest ever batsman on the stats of his career in all formats. He's obviously closer to the end than the beginning of his career, and when he goes, he will leave very big boots to fill.
Seeing someone pick Cairns makes me happy
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@MN5 said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@Godder said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
To answer the original question, the first name that came to mind was Sir Paddles.
Hadlee
M Crowe
Williamson
Taylor
C CairnsWicketkeeper tends to be a debate, but I think we've had a series of world-class test keepers, so if someone named one in the list, it would definitely be defensible.
Taylor tends to be in the shadow of Kane, and the captaincy saga and his cavalier attitude earlier in his career sometimes overshadow his contributions a bit, but in my view, he's our greatest ever batsman on the stats of his career in all formats. He's obviously closer to the end than the beginning of his career, and when he goes, he will leave very big boots to fill.
Seeing someone pick Cairns makes me happy
Like Botham, he could absolutely destroy the opposition with the ball or bat, and he was even a good fielder. No matter how bad the game position, he could and did win games with ball and bat.
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@Crucial said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@Siam said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@Crucial said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
Tests:
M Crowe
KW
R Taylor
HadleeConsidering Turner (but then you'd also have to consider Rigor who has a similar record), Reid (not enough tests?), Bond (not enough tests? Clearly our best strike rate), Baz (not our best keeper and also not among the best bats, but as a bat/keeper? up there). Vettori or Fleming as most test contributions. It's quite hard.
If I apply the criteria of who would be is discussion for a spot in a world XI? Def the ones named plus maybe Bond, maybe Watling (although his stats are very good he would probably be 5th or 6th choice behind much stronger candidates like Dhoni and Gilchrist.)
@MN5 said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@NTA said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@Crucial said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
Test? ODI? Seperate lists?
Mate just try to get to 5 first
You wouldn’t be so cocky if the A stood for Afghanistan.
Fuck me, some legends would miss out on the top five aussies though.
Ponting wouldn’t make my team just as one example.
He would if 'A' stood for asshole.
Mate, who do you think was a better keeper. Focussing on just that I can't recall Baz dropping many, Parore did, but maybe fatguts commentator was the tidiest of all?
Purely as a keeper I seem to recall Smithy being the last of our true specialists. We seem to have filled the position with batsmen that can keep ever since.
I would rate Smith as the best keeper I've seen play (so from about 1988 onwards). He despised Parore, but said on commentary near the end of Parore's career that he was the best in the world as a keeper, so that tells me that Parore was legitimately good at it. Baz was also world class, as is Watling now.
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@MN5 said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@junior said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@MN5 said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@nzzp said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@mariner4life said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
you would struggle to pick the 5 greatest Australian Cricketers from 95-2005
McGrath, Ponting, SWaugh, Warne, then probably Hayden (redefined opening)
Gilly and Smith along with McGrath, Warne and Waugh. But again, what a tough list !!!!?
I think that’s probably right. AB and Punter very unlucky to miss out
Amongst others. Greg Chappell and Lillee have great records too
And Rod Marsh...
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@Godder said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@MN5 said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@Godder said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
To answer the original question, the first name that came to mind was Sir Paddles.
Hadlee
M Crowe
Williamson
Taylor
C CairnsWicketkeeper tends to be a debate, but I think we've had a series of world-class test keepers, so if someone named one in the list, it would definitely be defensible.
Taylor tends to be in the shadow of Kane, and the captaincy saga and his cavalier attitude earlier in his career sometimes overshadow his contributions a bit, but in my view, he's our greatest ever batsman on the stats of his career in all formats. He's obviously closer to the end than the beginning of his career, and when he goes, he will leave very big boots to fill.
Seeing someone pick Cairns makes me happy
Like Botham, he could absolutely destroy the opposition with the ball or bat, and he was even a good fielder. No matter how bad the game position, he could and did win games with ball and bat.
Spot on, won games for us. Also we'll always have the champions trophy he singlehandedly won, despite the alleged shenanigans at the end of his career.
On form, outstanding
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@Godder said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@Crucial said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@Siam said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@Crucial said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
Tests:
M Crowe
KW
R Taylor
HadleeConsidering Turner (but then you'd also have to consider Rigor who has a similar record), Reid (not enough tests?), Bond (not enough tests? Clearly our best strike rate), Baz (not our best keeper and also not among the best bats, but as a bat/keeper? up there). Vettori or Fleming as most test contributions. It's quite hard.
If I apply the criteria of who would be is discussion for a spot in a world XI? Def the ones named plus maybe Bond, maybe Watling (although his stats are very good he would probably be 5th or 6th choice behind much stronger candidates like Dhoni and Gilchrist.)
@MN5 said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@NTA said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@Crucial said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
Test? ODI? Seperate lists?
Mate just try to get to 5 first
You wouldn’t be so cocky if the A stood for Afghanistan.
Fuck me, some legends would miss out on the top five aussies though.
Ponting wouldn’t make my team just as one example.
He would if 'A' stood for asshole.
Mate, who do you think was a better keeper. Focussing on just that I can't recall Baz dropping many, Parore did, but maybe fatguts commentator was the tidiest of all?
Purely as a keeper I seem to recall Smithy being the last of our true specialists. We seem to have filled the position with batsmen that can keep ever since.
I would rate Smith as the best keeper I've seen play (so from about 1988 onwards). He despised Parore, but said on commentary near the end of Parore's career that he was the best in the world as a keeper, so that tells me that Parore was legitimately good at it. Baz was also world class, as is Watling now.
Seen too many fumbles and drops for Watling. Dropped a couple in one innings I think. It's an incredible standard but BJ isn't as natural as the other 3.
Not many peer players liked Adam. Remember one telling me standing at first slip, Parore dropped one that went between them and immediately turned to state " that was yours you effing c". And that was the end of the matter. A beautiful wicket-keeper though. Smithy seldom dived and a can't recall a single clanger (not saying there wasn't one). Baz was really tidy, good energy and relished "speccys". Not many errors spring to mind. -
@Siam said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@Godder said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@Crucial said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@Siam said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@Crucial said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
Tests:
M Crowe
KW
R Taylor
HadleeConsidering Turner (but then you'd also have to consider Rigor who has a similar record), Reid (not enough tests?), Bond (not enough tests? Clearly our best strike rate), Baz (not our best keeper and also not among the best bats, but as a bat/keeper? up there). Vettori or Fleming as most test contributions. It's quite hard.
If I apply the criteria of who would be is discussion for a spot in a world XI? Def the ones named plus maybe Bond, maybe Watling (although his stats are very good he would probably be 5th or 6th choice behind much stronger candidates like Dhoni and Gilchrist.)
@MN5 said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@NTA said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@Crucial said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
Test? ODI? Seperate lists?
Mate just try to get to 5 first
You wouldn’t be so cocky if the A stood for Afghanistan.
Fuck me, some legends would miss out on the top five aussies though.
Ponting wouldn’t make my team just as one example.
He would if 'A' stood for asshole.
Mate, who do you think was a better keeper. Focussing on just that I can't recall Baz dropping many, Parore did, but maybe fatguts commentator was the tidiest of all?
Purely as a keeper I seem to recall Smithy being the last of our true specialists. We seem to have filled the position with batsmen that can keep ever since.
I would rate Smith as the best keeper I've seen play (so from about 1988 onwards). He despised Parore, but said on commentary near the end of Parore's career that he was the best in the world as a keeper, so that tells me that Parore was legitimately good at it. Baz was also world class, as is Watling now.
Seen too many fumbles and drops for Watling. Dropped a couple in one innings I think. It's an incredible standard but BJ isn't as natural as the other 3.
Not many peer players liked Adam. Remember one telling me standing at first slip, Parore dropped one that went between them and immediately turned to state " that was yours you effing c". And that was the end of the matter. A beautiful wicket-keeper though. Smithy seldom dived and a can't recall a single clanger (not saying there wasn't one). Baz was really tidy, good energy and relished "speccys". Not many errors spring to mind.Smithy (yes, the same guy that waddles the sidelines now) had the best footwork. Never got caught flat-footed.
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@Crucial Smithy was a fit specimen in his day. There will be scores of middle aged kiwi chicks either cringing or giggling everytime they see a wide shot of our beloved corpulent commentator on the tele.
"Jesus Christ I fucked that? cue giggle/cringe 🙂
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@Crucial said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@Siam said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@Godder said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@Crucial said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@Siam said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@Crucial said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
Tests:
M Crowe
KW
R Taylor
HadleeConsidering Turner (but then you'd also have to consider Rigor who has a similar record), Reid (not enough tests?), Bond (not enough tests? Clearly our best strike rate), Baz (not our best keeper and also not among the best bats, but as a bat/keeper? up there). Vettori or Fleming as most test contributions. It's quite hard.
If I apply the criteria of who would be is discussion for a spot in a world XI? Def the ones named plus maybe Bond, maybe Watling (although his stats are very good he would probably be 5th or 6th choice behind much stronger candidates like Dhoni and Gilchrist.)
@MN5 said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@NTA said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@Crucial said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
Test? ODI? Seperate lists?
Mate just try to get to 5 first
You wouldn’t be so cocky if the A stood for Afghanistan.
Fuck me, some legends would miss out on the top five aussies though.
Ponting wouldn’t make my team just as one example.
He would if 'A' stood for asshole.
Mate, who do you think was a better keeper. Focussing on just that I can't recall Baz dropping many, Parore did, but maybe fatguts commentator was the tidiest of all?
Purely as a keeper I seem to recall Smithy being the last of our true specialists. We seem to have filled the position with batsmen that can keep ever since.
I would rate Smith as the best keeper I've seen play (so from about 1988 onwards). He despised Parore, but said on commentary near the end of Parore's career that he was the best in the world as a keeper, so that tells me that Parore was legitimately good at it. Baz was also world class, as is Watling now.
Seen too many fumbles and drops for Watling. Dropped a couple in one innings I think. It's an incredible standard but BJ isn't as natural as the other 3.
Not many peer players liked Adam. Remember one telling me standing at first slip, Parore dropped one that went between them and immediately turned to state " that was yours you effing c". And that was the end of the matter. A beautiful wicket-keeper though. Smithy seldom dived and a can't recall a single clanger (not saying there wasn't one). Baz was really tidy, good energy and relished "speccys". Not many errors spring to mind.Smithy (yes, the same guy that waddles the sidelines now) had the best footwork. Never got caught flat-footed.
back in the mid 90's when he started his corpulent journey, there was a hand made sign at the cricket that just said
'squeal like a stuck pig Smithy'
oh, how I laughed...
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@nzzp said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
@mariner4life said in Five Greatest Black Caps of the Past 50 years:
you would struggle to pick the 5 greatest Australian Cricketers from 95-2005
McGrath, Ponting, SWaugh, Warne, then probably Hayden (redefined opening)
If we’re applying the last 50 years:
Warne, Ponting, S. Waugh, Lillee, Border
Next tier: McGrath, S. Smith, Gilchrist, Hayden, G. Chappell
