Future of The Rugby Championship
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How do you guys reckon this will go in future, politically?
For the record I am for the TRC continuing, but was happy to see demise of the full Southern Hemisphere Rugby Super Rugby.
But there is bitterness over in SARU at NZRU’s unilateral ending of SR and attempt at setting up Tran- Ta$man comp on their own terms.
Do you think SARU / Boks not turning up this year – while partly about player welfare was also partly political? If so, they were prepared to cut their own nose to spite their face. Which would be a worrying sign of where the relationship is.
Unfortunately for UAR, they are currently just flotsam in a SANZAAR rough sea.
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@Rapido said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
How do you guys reckon this will go in future, politically?
For the record I am for the TRC continuing, but was happy to see demise of the full Southern Hemisphere Rugby Super Rugby.
But there is bitterness over in SARU at NZRU’s unilateral ending of SR and attempt at setting up Tran- Ta$man comp on their own terms.
Do you think SARU / Boks not turning up this year – while partly about player welfare was also partly political? If so, they were prepared to cut their own nose to spite their face. Which would be a worrying sign of where the relationship is.
Unfortunately for UAR, they are currently just flotsam in a SANZAAR rough sea.
UAR?
I keep thinking that I am happy about change but then all the changes I think of make me unhappy. If there is no World rugby season then the best for us is to keep playing SA and Aussie as there is often some remarkable rugby
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@Snowy said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
@Hooroo said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
UAR?
In english - Union of Argentinian Rugby.
Cheers! Couldn't get past Uruguay
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@Rapido said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
But there is bitterness over in SARU at NZRU’s unilateral ending of SR and attempt at setting up Tran- Ta$man comp on their own terms.
That bitterness would be unfounded. What were RA and NZR supposed to do, not play rugby and wait until South Africa had got on top of covid-19 sufficiently so teams could travel?
Do you think SARU / Boks not turning up this year – while partly about player welfare was also partly political? If so, they were prepared to cut their own nose to spite their face. Which would be a worrying sign of where the relationship is.
I think SARUs problems are closer to home and that hasn't really changed in decades. While they're still beholden to a racist regime, that regime is now corrupt and incompetent.
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I get the feeling SARU want to join Europe at all pro levels.
Weekly pro level. Which they are already doing with expanded Pro-14.
European Champions Cup level.
International level. Expanded 6 Nations.From their POV, that makes commercial sense.
I have my doubts about Pro 14, And inter-continental clubs comps.
But. If they are included in (European) Champions Cup , then I think it will make the Pro no longer 14 viable. If they are excluded then I think that expansion fails eventually. Their fate will depend ion whether English and French clubs want them in the tent.For international level. They will be dependent on whether 6 Nations want them in. I have my doubts. Tradition, travel and fitting it in the calendar. But need for money after covid disruption may have the unions prepared to shake up the status quo.
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@antipodean said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
@Rapido said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
But there is bitterness over in SARU at NZRU’s unilateral ending of SR and attempt at setting up Tran- Ta$man comp on their own terms.
That bitterness would be unfounded. What were RA and NZR supposed to do, not play rugby and wait until South Africa had got on top of covid-19 sufficiently so teams could travel?
It's not the plans for 2020 or even 2021 that breaks the alliance and damages the relationships. It's NZRUs almost immediate (and unliateral) decision to permanently end the Super comp just a few months into the pandemic.
Not that it isn't something SARU themselves have threatened every TV Rights renewal.
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i've said it over and over, i don't envy the people who try to put SH rugby together. The tyranny of distance is a killer. we're basically trying to play around half the world. Playing just inside Australia you cover more ground than all of Europe pretty much, before having to cross two fucking oceans.
Add in each country having very different needs, and it's a shitfight from ball 1.
I'll watch whatever. And i like a home and away. TO my eyes there wasn't much wrong with the old format, except too many fucking bledisloes.
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@Rapido said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
For international level. They will be dependent on whether 6 Nations want them in. I have my doubts. Tradition, travel and fitting it in the calendar.
Yeah, I don't think the 6N will expand. It took 60 years before Italy joined and I don't see the current 6 countries wanting an odd number of teams in the competition.
I hope the RC continues with SA involved because there is a tradition to have tests between NZ and SA. However, I'm not expecting the SA teams to be part of any SR competition in the future.
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@Rapido said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
@antipodean said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
@Rapido said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
But there is bitterness over in SARU at NZRU’s unilateral ending of SR and attempt at setting up Tran- Ta$man comp on their own terms.
That bitterness would be unfounded. What were RA and NZR supposed to do, not play rugby and wait until South Africa had got on top of covid-19 sufficiently so teams could travel?
It's not the plans for 2020 or even 2021 that breaks the alliance and damages the relationships. It's NZRUs almost immediate (and unliateral) decision to permanently end the Super comp just a few months into the pandemic.
Which if we're honest appears to be one of the few good things they've managed thus far.
Not that it isn't something SARU themselves have threatened every TV Rights renewal.
Exactly - they aren't some blushing bride here.
And I don't see how they can be accepted into Europe anyway - the calendar is already full.
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@antipodean said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
@Rapido said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
@antipodean said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
@Rapido said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
But there is bitterness over in SARU at NZRU’s unilateral ending of SR and attempt at setting up Tran- Ta$man comp on their own terms.
That bitterness would be unfounded. What were RA and NZR supposed to do, not play rugby and wait until South Africa had got on top of covid-19 sufficiently so teams could travel?
It's not the plans for 2020 or even 2021 that breaks the alliance and damages the relationships. It's NZRUs almost immediate (and unliateral) decision to permanently end the Super comp just a few months into the pandemic.
Which if we're honest appears to be one of the few good things they've managed thus far.
We're absolutely in the same camp on this one.
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@Bovidae said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
@Rapido said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
For international level. They will be dependent on whether 6 Nations want them in. I have my doubts. Tradition, travel and fitting it in the calendar.
Yeah, I don't think the 6N will expand. It took 60 years before Italy joined and I don't see the current 6 countries wanting an odd number of teams in the competition.
I hope the RC continues with SA involved because there is a tradition to have tests between NZ and SA. However, I'm not expecting the SA teams to be part of any SR competition in the future.
This is where I am at.
I don't think 6 Nations will want to expand.
Apart from the geographic integrity of it currently.
Part of the attraction for expansion from 5 to 6 Nations was to remove the bye, I think.
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im afraid if we dont keep SA in the RC then we'll end up playing aussie four times a year...which will kill a lot of interest
another forum im on which has become more NH focused has a lot of chat about how Italy haven't really improved much since joining and they might just get swapped out for SA, no idea how the voting etc works for the 6N though
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@Kiwiwomble said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
another forum im on which has become more NH focused has a lot of chat about how Italy haven't really improved much since joining and they might just get swapped out for SA, no idea how the voting etc works for the 6N though
Options would be
Expand to 7. And use the 'fallow week'. Which would mean 7 tests in 7 weeks including 1 long haul for each team.
Expand to 7, but extend tournament length. Need to negotiate with clubs.
Stay at 6. But swap out Italy for Saf .
Better rugby.
Economically is replacing a 60 million country with declining population, but rich, but small rugby market. Replacing it with 55 million population country, rapidly growing, but poor, but richish rugby subpopulation, decent size rugby market by rugby standards -
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@Bovidae some have suggest they would play some home games in spain and home fans would be happy watch on tv
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@Kiwiwomble said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
@Bovidae some have suggest they would play some home games in spain and home fans would be happy watch on tv
Well, that is pure nonsense I've seen sprouted for Argentina, Fiji, and now South Africa.
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I just hope a Nation's Championship can happen, would love to play the top teams every year. As for TRC, hopefully that can work within the Nation's Champ somehow. I can't see why we can't play SA, Aus, Arg twice and the other 6 teams once. Gives us 12 tests a year. Plus 1 vs a tier 2 before TRC.
