Future of The Rugby Championship
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@Rapido said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
For international level. They will be dependent on whether 6 Nations want them in. I have my doubts. Tradition, travel and fitting it in the calendar.
Yeah, I don't think the 6N will expand. It took 60 years before Italy joined and I don't see the current 6 countries wanting an odd number of teams in the competition.
I hope the RC continues with SA involved because there is a tradition to have tests between NZ and SA. However, I'm not expecting the SA teams to be part of any SR competition in the future.
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@Rapido said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
@antipodean said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
@Rapido said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
But there is bitterness over in SARU at NZRU’s unilateral ending of SR and attempt at setting up Tran- Ta$man comp on their own terms.
That bitterness would be unfounded. What were RA and NZR supposed to do, not play rugby and wait until South Africa had got on top of covid-19 sufficiently so teams could travel?
It's not the plans for 2020 or even 2021 that breaks the alliance and damages the relationships. It's NZRUs almost immediate (and unliateral) decision to permanently end the Super comp just a few months into the pandemic.
Which if we're honest appears to be one of the few good things they've managed thus far.
Not that it isn't something SARU themselves have threatened every TV Rights renewal.
Exactly - they aren't some blushing bride here.
And I don't see how they can be accepted into Europe anyway - the calendar is already full.
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@antipodean said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
@Rapido said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
@antipodean said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
@Rapido said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
But there is bitterness over in SARU at NZRU’s unilateral ending of SR and attempt at setting up Tran- Ta$man comp on their own terms.
That bitterness would be unfounded. What were RA and NZR supposed to do, not play rugby and wait until South Africa had got on top of covid-19 sufficiently so teams could travel?
It's not the plans for 2020 or even 2021 that breaks the alliance and damages the relationships. It's NZRUs almost immediate (and unliateral) decision to permanently end the Super comp just a few months into the pandemic.
Which if we're honest appears to be one of the few good things they've managed thus far.
We're absolutely in the same camp on this one.
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@Bovidae said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
@Rapido said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
For international level. They will be dependent on whether 6 Nations want them in. I have my doubts. Tradition, travel and fitting it in the calendar.
Yeah, I don't think the 6N will expand. It took 60 years before Italy joined and I don't see the current 6 countries wanting an odd number of teams in the competition.
I hope the RC continues with SA involved because there is a tradition to have tests between NZ and SA. However, I'm not expecting the SA teams to be part of any SR competition in the future.
This is where I am at.
I don't think 6 Nations will want to expand.
Apart from the geographic integrity of it currently.
Part of the attraction for expansion from 5 to 6 Nations was to remove the bye, I think.
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im afraid if we dont keep SA in the RC then we'll end up playing aussie four times a year...which will kill a lot of interest
another forum im on which has become more NH focused has a lot of chat about how Italy haven't really improved much since joining and they might just get swapped out for SA, no idea how the voting etc works for the 6N though
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@Kiwiwomble said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
another forum im on which has become more NH focused has a lot of chat about how Italy haven't really improved much since joining and they might just get swapped out for SA, no idea how the voting etc works for the 6N though
Options would be
Expand to 7. And use the 'fallow week'. Which would mean 7 tests in 7 weeks including 1 long haul for each team.
Expand to 7, but extend tournament length. Need to negotiate with clubs.
Stay at 6. But swap out Italy for Saf .
Better rugby.
Economically is replacing a 60 million country with declining population, but rich, but small rugby market. Replacing it with 55 million population country, rapidly growing, but poor, but richish rugby subpopulation, decent size rugby market by rugby standards -
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@Bovidae some have suggest they would play some home games in spain and home fans would be happy watch on tv
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@Kiwiwomble said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
@Bovidae some have suggest they would play some home games in spain and home fans would be happy watch on tv
Well, that is pure nonsense I've seen sprouted for Argentina, Fiji, and now South Africa.
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I just hope a Nation's Championship can happen, would love to play the top teams every year. As for TRC, hopefully that can work within the Nation's Champ somehow. I can't see why we can't play SA, Aus, Arg twice and the other 6 teams once. Gives us 12 tests a year. Plus 1 vs a tier 2 before TRC.
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@Bovidae said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
If you are a fan, would you prefer a weekend in Rome or a weekend in Johannesburg?
You're more likely to see a decent rugby match in Jo'burg.
You're more likely to get absorbed by history in Rome.You're quite likely to get mugged in both of them.
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I don't think Italy can be replaced, though, anyway.
Tournament is owned by Six Nations Rugby Ltd. Tried to google ownership structure but to no avail.
But if single 6 Nations team could veto promotion-relegation in 6 Nations (and by proxy veto proposed Nations League), then assume same applies for kicking them out of a tournament they partly own for a shiny new play thing. Would need to be bought out.
So, expansion is only realistic option.
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@Rapido said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
So, expansion is only realistic option.
Add Saffas and Georgia and make it 8 Nations!
The Tractor Factory will provide a bit of competition for Italy and they're probably sick of kicking the shit out of Romania, Germany, and Spain in the 2nd Div comp anyway.
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@Snowy https://www.rugbyrocks.com/sa-rugby-to-earn-r130-million-despite-boks-withdrawal
Don't know the specifics and it could be bullshit (looks pretty clickbaity). I've heard other anecdotal stuff that they'll still earn under the SANZAAR agreement.
But, yeah, apparently they won't take that much of a financial hit for not showing.
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Wouldn't surprise me.
"This is due to a collective bargaining agreement that guaranteed all four Sanzaar nations would benefit financially even if one was unable to attend the tournament for Covid-19 reasons."
If that is the actual agreement, firstly, they were all idiots to agree to that - show up or don't get paid.
Secondly "unable to attend" - really -"unable"? They might reconsider that if they weren't getting the cash anyway. No wonder relations are so strained between them all.Hopefully it is bullshit as it makes no sense.
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@Rapido said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
I don't think Italy can be replaced, though, anyway.
Tournament is owned by Six Nations Rugby Ltd. Tried to google ownership structure but to no vail.
But if single 6 Nations team could veto promotion-relegation in 6 Nations (and by proxy veto proposed Nations League), then assume same applies for kicking them out of a tournament they partly own for a shiny new play thing. Would need to be bought out.
So, expansion is only realistic option.
If you're prepared to pay they're available https://search.cro.ie/company/ListSubDocs.aspx?id=358420&type=C
