Top Ferners underrated players

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@Crucial said in Top Ferners underrated players:

@booboo said in Top Ferners underrated players:

@Crucial said in Top Ferners underrated players:

@booboo said in Top Ferners underrated players:

@Crucial said in Top Ferners underrated players:

@antipodean said in Top Ferners underrated players:

@Crucial said in Top Ferners underrated players:

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@ACT-Crusader said in Top Ferners underrated players:

For what it’s worth, I didn’t really rate TJ Faiane but the positive difference to the Blues set up and play was very noticeable when he was on the field as opposed to when he was out.

A genuine second five-eighth.

Say whaaat ?

You mean a genuine inside centre?

This is still a New Zealand forum?

The name used is relevant to the style of player.

A genuine second five is like when DC wore 12

A centre is like Laumape, Goodhue or Faiane.

Nah.

Your classic NZ crash ball 2nd 5/8 is like a Macrae or Osborne or Taylor.

It's only recently when we've been playing 2 x 10s that people have adapted the term to having a second first 5/8.

I don't like the term 'inside centre' really either but was using it to differentiate the 12 from 13 when playing two 'centres as opposed to two 'five-eights'.
I disagree about the crash ball 12. That is a reasonably modern usage of the position in NZ.
Our 12 was usually either a second playmaker type (a 'second' first five) like DC, Mauger, McAllister etc or a stepper with distribution skills like Little.
A 'genuine' second-five IMO plays to the origin of the name. One of the five-eighths that link the half to the three-quarters and is backup to the 10.
I don't see Faiane as a classic second-five, more a running, distributing centre.

Pom

Pom's don't even use the term Five-eight. It was a kiwi coined phrase decades ago.
As the game has changed so has the role of the 12.
In NZ the classic (i.e. traditional) style 12 is not the current model like Faiane/ALB/Goodhue etc
Nonu was an exception to the rule in that when he moved to 12 it was for line bending but over time he developed a much wider range of skills.
We refer to 12 and 13 as the Centres do we not?

Not in my experience. Usually "mid-field".

2nd five-eighth and centre (or centre three-quarter).

[KiwiMurph]

@Stargazer said in Top Ferners underrated players:

@nzzp Geez, what a bs, haha. Bridge is way better and much more than "just a finisher". He's awesome under the high ball, fast, good on defence, great footwork. Yes, he's isn't Ben Smith level yet, but that may still come. But even if he doesn't reach BFA level, he's still a very good wing and fully deserves a further AB call-up.

He doesn't have great footwork. It's his one big work-on in his game.

He's got plenty of strengths to his game (workrate, good speed, underrated power etc) but he doesn't have great footwork.

[Snowy]

@booboo said in Top Ferners underrated players:

Not in my experience. Usually "mid-field".
2nd five-eighth and centre (or centre three-quarter).

Yep, backs are only ever a fraction of a player, except fullback. Fuck knows why they get an exemption, worst of the lot at avoiding work.

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@Snowy said in Top Ferners underrated players:

@booboo said in Top Ferners underrated players:

Not in my experience. Usually "mid-field".
2nd five-eighth and centre (or centre three-quarter).

Yep, backs are only ever a fraction of a player, except fullback. Fuck knows why they get an exemption, worst of the lot at avoiding work.

Nice. Love your work.

[Magpie_in_aus]

Me.

I think I am both underrated player and a top ferner.

[MN5]

@Magpie_in_aus said in Top Ferners underrated players:

Me.

I think I am both underrated player and a top ferner.

Who are you ? don't think I've seen you on here before.

[ACT Crusader]

https://i.imgur.com/wF46vn1.jpg

Looking at that, one could conclude that Cane is underrated by Sky or possibly overrated by AB selectors...🆘

[Bones]

This thread is brilliant. @MN5 pretending he watches rugby and then not so subtly trying to get everyone to talk about players from 10-20 years ago.

Funny with the Bridge pile on I've been watching him a bit closer and been surprised at his impact in traffic. He's "powered" his way in for a couple of tries too hasn't he? So the impression he folds at the first sign of a tackle seems way off.

[Tim]

@Bones said in Top Ferners underrated players:

This thread is brilliant. @MN5 pretending he watches rugby and then not so subtly trying to get everyone to talk about players from 10-20 years ago.

[cgrant]

I would add Alex Hodgman to the list of underrated players. His previous weakness at scrum time is now a thing of the past. He brings more than Big Karl in the loose, particularly in defence, and his height is an added value at the lineout.

[Bones]

@cgrant he's a funny one...seemed to get talked about a lot by blues fans when he first came along and was pretty ordinary. Now he's worthy of some hype but seems to get talked about less!

[MN5]

@Bones said in Top Ferners underrated players:

This thread is brilliant. @MN5 pretending he watches rugby and then not so subtly trying to get everyone to talk about players from 10-20 years ago.

Funny with the Bridge pile on I've been watching him a bit closer and been surprised at his impact in traffic. He's "powered" his way in for a couple of tries too hasn't he? So the impression he folds at the first sign of a tackle seems way off.

I've been to three games this year

[Bones]

@MN5 said in Top Ferners underrated players:

@Bones said in Top Ferners underrated players:

This thread is brilliant. @MN5 pretending he watches rugby and then not so subtly trying to get everyone to talk about players from 10-20 years ago.

Funny with the Bridge pile on I've been watching him a bit closer and been surprised at his impact in traffic. He's "powered" his way in for a couple of tries too hasn't he? So the impression he folds at the first sign of a tackle seems way off.

I've been to three games this year

You missed out the word "watch".

[MN5]

@Bones said in Top Ferners underrated players:

@MN5 said in Top Ferners underrated players:

@Bones said in Top Ferners underrated players:

This thread is brilliant. @MN5 pretending he watches rugby and then not so subtly trying to get everyone to talk about players from 10-20 years ago.

Funny with the Bridge pile on I've been watching him a bit closer and been surprised at his impact in traffic. He's "powered" his way in for a couple of tries too hasn't he? So the impression he folds at the first sign of a tackle seems way off.

I've been to three games this year

You missed out the word "watch".

Members stand too. They have fortune favours on tap.

[Magpie_in_aus]

@MN5 said in Top Ferners underrated players:

@Magpie_in_aus said in Top Ferners underrated players:

Me.

I think I am both underrated player and a top ferner.

Who are you ? don't think I've seen you on here before.

My names Reuben Thorne. You might not see me but I do a lot that is underrated.

[MN5]

@Magpie_in_aus said in Top Ferners underrated players:

@MN5 said in Top Ferners underrated players:

@Magpie_in_aus said in Top Ferners underrated players:

Me.

I think I am both underrated player and a top ferner.

Who are you ? don't think I've seen you on here before.

My names Reuben Thorne. You might not see me but I do a lot that is underrated.

Good stuff. There’s far too many flash Rodney So’oialos and Jerry Collins’s around for my liking.