Top Ferners underrated players
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@Bones said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@mariner4life said in Top Ferners underrated players:
I think the best guys for this thread are the Crusaders loose forwards. Not big names, barely mentioned in dispatches, but perform their roles well enough for their team to win the comp a week early. None will he mentioned as unlucky when the AB squad gets announced.
That's underrated.
Sanders especially looks like a horrible abrasive bastard to tackle. Douglas doesn't seem to show as much as he did a couple of seasons ago (when he ditched overseas halfway through a season?) but does a bloody good impression of Thorne.
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@antipodean said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@Crucial said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@antipodean said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@ACT-Crusader said in Top Ferners underrated players:
For what it’s worth, I didn’t really rate TJ Faiane but the positive difference to the Blues set up and play was very noticeable when he was on the field as opposed to when he was out.
A genuine second five-eighth.
Say whaaat ?
You mean a genuine inside centre?
This is still a New Zealand forum?
The name used is relevant to the style of player.
A genuine second five is like when DC wore 12
A centre is like Laumape, Goodhue or Faiane.
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@Crucial said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@sparky said in Top Ferners underrated players:
George Bridge, gets a lot of stick on here, sure he's not Jonah Lomu or Doug Howlett, but he is a Test quality winger and rated No 1 in NZ by his peers.
Kind of like Caleb Ralph then?
I said exactly this and I didn’t get as many upvotes
#stink
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@MN5 said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@Crucial said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@sparky said in Top Ferners underrated players:
George Bridge, gets a lot of stick on here, sure he's not Jonah Lomu or Doug Howlett, but he is a Test quality winger and rated No 1 in NZ by his peers.
Kind of like Caleb Ralph then?
I said exactly this and I didn’t get as many upvotes
#stink
But you diluted the observation by mentioning Zac Guilford.
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@Crucial said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@MN5 said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@Crucial said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@sparky said in Top Ferners underrated players:
George Bridge, gets a lot of stick on here, sure he's not Jonah Lomu or Doug Howlett, but he is a Test quality winger and rated No 1 in NZ by his peers.
Kind of like Caleb Ralph then?
I said exactly this and I didn’t get as many upvotes
#stink
But you diluted the observation by mentioning Zac Guilford.
A pisshead who stole precious caps off others? I also mentioned a white guy who looked like a sheep
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@Crucial said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@antipodean said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@Crucial said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@antipodean said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@ACT-Crusader said in Top Ferners underrated players:
For what it’s worth, I didn’t really rate TJ Faiane but the positive difference to the Blues set up and play was very noticeable when he was on the field as opposed to when he was out.
A genuine second five-eighth.
Say whaaat ?
You mean a genuine inside centre?
This is still a New Zealand forum?
The name used is relevant to the style of player.
A genuine second five is like when DC wore 12
A centre is like Laumape, Goodhue or Faiane.
Nah.
Your classic NZ crash ball 2nd 5/8 is like a Macrae or Osborne or Taylor.
It's only recently when we've been playing 2 x 10s that people have adapted the term to having a second first 5/8.
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@Crucial said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@antipodean said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@Crucial said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@antipodean said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@ACT-Crusader said in Top Ferners underrated players:
For what it’s worth, I didn’t really rate TJ Faiane but the positive difference to the Blues set up and play was very noticeable when he was on the field as opposed to when he was out.
A genuine second five-eighth.
Say whaaat ?
You mean a genuine inside centre?
This is still a New Zealand forum?
The name used is relevant to the style of player.
A genuine second five is like when DC wore 12
A centre is like Laumape, Goodhue or Faiane.
And a centre is Goodhue playing 13. There is no inside or outside.
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Read the title of this thread as ‘Top Ferners underrated’..was then expecting to be tagged here, so yeah kinda disappointed and relieved at the same time.
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@booboo said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@Crucial said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@antipodean said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@Crucial said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@antipodean said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@ACT-Crusader said in Top Ferners underrated players:
For what it’s worth, I didn’t really rate TJ Faiane but the positive difference to the Blues set up and play was very noticeable when he was on the field as opposed to when he was out.
A genuine second five-eighth.
Say whaaat ?
You mean a genuine inside centre?
This is still a New Zealand forum?
The name used is relevant to the style of player.
A genuine second five is like when DC wore 12
A centre is like Laumape, Goodhue or Faiane.
Nah.
Your classic NZ crash ball 2nd 5/8 is like a Macrae or Osborne or Taylor.
It's only recently when we've been playing 2 x 10s that people have adapted the term to having a second first 5/8.
I don't like the term 'inside centre' really either but was using it to differentiate the 12 from 13 when playing two 'centres as opposed to two 'five-eights'.
I disagree about the crash ball 12. That is a reasonably modern usage of the position in NZ.
Our 12 was usually either a second playmaker type (a 'second' first five) like DC, Mauger, McAllister etc or a stepper with distribution skills like Little.
A 'genuine' second-five IMO plays to the origin of the name. One of the five-eighths that link the half to the three-quarters and is backup to the 10.
I don't see Faiane as a classic second-five, more a running, distributing centre. -
@Crucial said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@booboo said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@Crucial said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@antipodean said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@Crucial said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@antipodean said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@ACT-Crusader said in Top Ferners underrated players:
For what it’s worth, I didn’t really rate TJ Faiane but the positive difference to the Blues set up and play was very noticeable when he was on the field as opposed to when he was out.
A genuine second five-eighth.
Say whaaat ?
You mean a genuine inside centre?
This is still a New Zealand forum?
The name used is relevant to the style of player.
A genuine second five is like when DC wore 12
A centre is like Laumape, Goodhue or Faiane.
Nah.
Your classic NZ crash ball 2nd 5/8 is like a Macrae or Osborne or Taylor.
It's only recently when we've been playing 2 x 10s that people have adapted the term to having a second first 5/8.
I don't like the term 'inside centre' really either but was using it to differentiate the 12 from 13 when playing two 'centres as opposed to two 'five-eights'.
I disagree about the crash ball 12. That is a reasonably modern usage of the position in NZ.
Our 12 was usually either a second playmaker type (a 'second' first five) like DC, Mauger, McAllister etc or a stepper with distribution skills like Little.
A 'genuine' second-five IMO plays to the origin of the name. One of the five-eighths that link the half to the three-quarters and is backup to the 10.
I don't see Faiane as a classic second-five, more a running, distributing centre.Pom
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@booboo said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@Crucial said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@booboo said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@Crucial said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@antipodean said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@Crucial said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@antipodean said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@ACT-Crusader said in Top Ferners underrated players:
For what it’s worth, I didn’t really rate TJ Faiane but the positive difference to the Blues set up and play was very noticeable when he was on the field as opposed to when he was out.
A genuine second five-eighth.
Say whaaat ?
You mean a genuine inside centre?
This is still a New Zealand forum?
The name used is relevant to the style of player.
A genuine second five is like when DC wore 12
A centre is like Laumape, Goodhue or Faiane.
Nah.
Your classic NZ crash ball 2nd 5/8 is like a Macrae or Osborne or Taylor.
It's only recently when we've been playing 2 x 10s that people have adapted the term to having a second first 5/8.
I don't like the term 'inside centre' really either but was using it to differentiate the 12 from 13 when playing two 'centres as opposed to two 'five-eights'.
I disagree about the crash ball 12. That is a reasonably modern usage of the position in NZ.
Our 12 was usually either a second playmaker type (a 'second' first five) like DC, Mauger, McAllister etc or a stepper with distribution skills like Little.
A 'genuine' second-five IMO plays to the origin of the name. One of the five-eighths that link the half to the three-quarters and is backup to the 10.
I don't see Faiane as a classic second-five, more a running, distributing centre.Pom
Wrong. Poms believe that all backs, including the 2nd 5 and centre, exist to tackle and chase after the first 5's kicks 😉
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@canefan said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@booboo said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@Crucial said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@booboo said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@Crucial said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@antipodean said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@Crucial said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@antipodean said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@ACT-Crusader said in Top Ferners underrated players:
For what it’s worth, I didn’t really rate TJ Faiane but the positive difference to the Blues set up and play was very noticeable when he was on the field as opposed to when he was out.
A genuine second five-eighth.
Say whaaat ?
You mean a genuine inside centre?
This is still a New Zealand forum?
The name used is relevant to the style of player.
A genuine second five is like when DC wore 12
A centre is like Laumape, Goodhue or Faiane.
Nah.
Your classic NZ crash ball 2nd 5/8 is like a Macrae or Osborne or Taylor.
It's only recently when we've been playing 2 x 10s that people have adapted the term to having a second first 5/8.
I don't like the term 'inside centre' really either but was using it to differentiate the 12 from 13 when playing two 'centres as opposed to two 'five-eights'.
I disagree about the crash ball 12. That is a reasonably modern usage of the position in NZ.
Our 12 was usually either a second playmaker type (a 'second' first five) like DC, Mauger, McAllister etc or a stepper with distribution skills like Little.
A 'genuine' second-five IMO plays to the origin of the name. One of the five-eighths that link the half to the three-quarters and is backup to the 10.
I don't see Faiane as a classic second-five, more a running, distributing centre.Pom
Wrong. Poms believe that all backs, including the 2nd 5 and centre, exist to tackle and chase after the first 5's kicks 😉
Fly half
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@Virgil said in Top Ferners underrated players:
Read the title of this thread as ‘Top Ferners underrated’..was then expecting to be tagged here, so yeah kinda disappointed and relived at the same time.
You’ll always have a place in my heart Virg. It takes a special kind of nerd to organise the fernies like you did.
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@booboo said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@Crucial said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@booboo said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@Crucial said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@antipodean said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@Crucial said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@antipodean said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@ACT-Crusader said in Top Ferners underrated players:
For what it’s worth, I didn’t really rate TJ Faiane but the positive difference to the Blues set up and play was very noticeable when he was on the field as opposed to when he was out.
A genuine second five-eighth.
Say whaaat ?
You mean a genuine inside centre?
This is still a New Zealand forum?
The name used is relevant to the style of player.
A genuine second five is like when DC wore 12
A centre is like Laumape, Goodhue or Faiane.
Nah.
Your classic NZ crash ball 2nd 5/8 is like a Macrae or Osborne or Taylor.
It's only recently when we've been playing 2 x 10s that people have adapted the term to having a second first 5/8.
I don't like the term 'inside centre' really either but was using it to differentiate the 12 from 13 when playing two 'centres as opposed to two 'five-eights'.
I disagree about the crash ball 12. That is a reasonably modern usage of the position in NZ.
Our 12 was usually either a second playmaker type (a 'second' first five) like DC, Mauger, McAllister etc or a stepper with distribution skills like Little.
A 'genuine' second-five IMO plays to the origin of the name. One of the five-eighths that link the half to the three-quarters and is backup to the 10.
I don't see Faiane as a classic second-five, more a running, distributing centre.Pom
Pom's don't even use the term Five-eight. It was a kiwi coined phrase decades ago.
As the game has changed so has the role of the 12.
In NZ the classic (i.e. traditional) style 12 is not the current model like Faiane/ALB/Goodhue etc
Nonu was an exception to the rule in that when he moved to 12 it was for line bending but over time he developed a much wider range of skills.
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@MN5 said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@Virgil said in Top Ferners underrated players:
Read the title of this thread as ‘Top Ferners underrated’..was then expecting to be tagged here, so yeah kinda disappointed and relived at the same time.
You’ll always have a place in my heart Virg. It takes a special kind of nerd to organise the fernies like you did.
Way things are going might be a 2nd set of Fernies coming up.
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@raznomore said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@Winger still don’t rate Princep as a super player but I agree with the other comments
Looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane ( not Cory ) springs to mind
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@Crucial said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@antipodean said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@Crucial said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@antipodean said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@ACT-Crusader said in Top Ferners underrated players:
For what it’s worth, I didn’t really rate TJ Faiane but the positive difference to the Blues set up and play was very noticeable when he was on the field as opposed to when he was out.
A genuine second five-eighth.
Say whaaat ?
You mean a genuine inside centre?
This is still a New Zealand forum?
The name used is relevant to the style of player.
A genuine second five is like when DC wore 12
A centre is like Laumape, Goodhue or Faiane.
Goodhue is out of position - he's a centre. Laumape doesn't have the skillset. You might want to watch TJ Faiane's game.
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@antipodean said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@Crucial said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@antipodean said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@Crucial said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@antipodean said in Top Ferners underrated players:
@ACT-Crusader said in Top Ferners underrated players:
For what it’s worth, I didn’t really rate TJ Faiane but the positive difference to the Blues set up and play was very noticeable when he was on the field as opposed to when he was out.
A genuine second five-eighth.
Say whaaat ?
You mean a genuine inside centre?
This is still a New Zealand forum?
The name used is relevant to the style of player.
A genuine second five is like when DC wore 12
A centre is like Laumape, Goodhue or Faiane.
Goodhue is out of position - he's a centre. Laumape doesn't have the skillset. You might want to watch TJ Faiane's game.
Fair enough. I probably hold my view of him because I haven't noticed him doing much as a 'second controller'. I will watch out for it.
