Coronavirus - UK
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Picking up some strong messages that things might be tightened up if people don't comply. Also some strong messaging that the rules are there for a reason and not a boundary to be pushed against and loopholes used.
Hancock's presser tonight could be very grim to counter the feeling that we don't need to worry now the vaccine is being rolled out.
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@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
This doing the rounds today
Clickbait?
Gypsy's warning to sort your shit out or else?
'Soft' announcement approx 7-10 days ahead of actual announcement, as has been the way by this Government?I've got a dog and I'll be out 3 times a day as I have been since 23 March 2020
Probably not a bad idea to release these sort of things in order to get people to comply better with the rules.
REality is that nobody is going to listen to only being allowed out once a week. Literally nobody.
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@Victor-Meldrew @MiketheSnow
At the moment, it is threat. I suspect areas that continue to be really poor at following the rules will face additional measures. -
The Christmas mixing will still be infecting those spending most of their time at home, so even if everyone only goes out once a week infections probably won't start falling before next week.
Meanwhile, a friend of mine who's quite prominent on these things on Twitter, says that SAGE minutes indicate 25% of Covid in hospitals is HAI (caught while there) and of those 35% or so die.
In other words a disporportionate amount of mortality isn't community related.
No one is publicising this!
Reason, I guess, is that, between that, community infections and staff self isolating, hospitals are extremely stretched, and powers at be want focus on reducing the marginal infection.
My hunch is that the 'crisis' will behind us by end of Jan.
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@sparky said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Victor-Meldrew @MiketheSnow
At the moment, it is threat. I suspect areas that continue to be really poor at following the rules will face additional measures.Several interviews I saw at weekend focused on message that if new rules actually FOLLOWED little need for extra.
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@pakman said in Coronavirus - UK:
The Christmas mixing will still be infecting those spending most of their time at home, so even if everyone only goes out once a week infections probably won't start falling before next week.
Meanwhile, a friend of mine who's quite prominent on these things on Twitter, says that SAGE minutes indicate 25% of Covid in hospitals is HAI (caught while there) and of those 35% or so die.
In other words a disporportionate amount of mortality isn't community related.
No one is publicising this!
Reason, I guess, is that, between that, community infections and staff self isolating, hospitals are extremely stretched, and powers at be want focus on reducing the marginal infection.
My hunch is that the 'crisis' will behind us by end of Jan.
I fucking hope so, but don't share your optimism.
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@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - UK:
The Christmas mixing will still be infecting those spending most of their time at home, so even if everyone only goes out once a week infections probably won't start falling before next week.
Meanwhile, a friend of mine who's quite prominent on these things on Twitter, says that SAGE minutes indicate 25% of Covid in hospitals is HAI (caught while there) and of those 35% or so die.
In other words a disporportionate amount of mortality isn't community related.
No one is publicising this!
Reason, I guess, is that, between that, community infections and staff self isolating, hospitals are extremely stretched, and powers at be want focus on reducing the marginal infection.
My hunch is that the 'crisis' will behind us by end of Jan.
I fucking hope so, but don't share your optimism.
Crisis meaning hospitals at breaking point. Will still be too many deaths for comfort.
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Watching Hancock's presser.
All but one of the questions are sensible, probing and germane to the current situation. Bloody shocked.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
Watching Hancock's presser.
All but one of the questions are sensible, probing and germane to the current situation. Bloody shocked.
Double upvote for using germane during a pandemic!
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@MajorRage a GP surgery in our PCN group is leading ours for multiple sites and feedback so far has been that it's incredibly emotional for staff and patients, lovely to hear that the people who are most vulnerable are incredibly grateful to receive it, heart warming stuff, lots of happy tears apparently! Still lots of moaners complaining about people queuing etc but let's just get it done!!
Regardless of what this country has done right or wrong, over 2m jabs so far is amazing and I just hope it is recognised when we look back on this in years to come that we did THIS part right 👏🏻 #nhsclap 😉 -
@R-L
230k doses today alone apparently.
In contrast Germany have done 360k in total and France 80k in total
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@Victor-Meldrew I think today has been a huge day for community based vaccines, amazing. 🙌🏻
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Just waded through a couple of hundred posts to catch up.
There was discussion about the 'true" number of COVID deaths and the suggestion they have been over-reported. I did a quick Google as most reports I've read suggest under-reporting is more of an issue than over-reporting especially in the early days of the first surge.
Anyways here FWIW is the BBC
This graphic is particularly relevant
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - UK:
Just waded through a couple of hundred posts to catch up.
There was discussion about the 'true" number of COVID deaths and the suggestion they have been over-reported. I did a quick Google as most reports I've read suggest under-reporting is more of an issue than over-reporting especially in the early days of the first surge.
Anyways here FWIW is the BBC
This graphic is particularly relevant
Good work. The last is the one experts prefer. Covid has replaced flu as le coup de grace du jour.
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Also there has been much talk about how only the old and / or those with co-morbidities die of COVID but I have read several reports that there are long lasting health issues for a sizeable - whatever that means - number of people that recover; irrespective of age.
Has anyone seen something on this that actually has some intellectual rigour behind it rather than just anecdotal fluff?
For me if trues this changes the whole argument about so called unavoidable deaths.
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - UK:
I have read several reports that there are long lasting health issues for a sizeable - whatever that means - number of people that recover; irrespective of age.
Yes, seems to be evidence of that. Certainly true of SARS round one (2003), a bit early to tell I guess as yet for '19.
Heart disease:
These guys are pretty reputable I think:
So heart, lungs, etc. General organ damage all possible.
Cheery stuff.
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my Brother-in-law who had it, is early 50's and been 6 weeks or so since he recovered and he still having some breathing issues.
My mother-in-law had a very good friend of thiers who died over the weekend, been in ICU for several weeks, had been in remission from cancer and then got Covid, was in the high risk of mid 60's bracket.
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - UK:
Also there has been much talk about how only the old and / or those with co-morbidities die of COVID but I have read several reports that there are long lasting health issues for a sizeable - whatever that means - number of people that recover; irrespective of age.
By long lasting they mean at least a year? What other issues did these people have and how did they rule out pre-existing conditions that might not have come to light prior to covid related hospital admission?