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Watching Hancock's presser.
All but one of the questions are sensible, probing and germane to the current situation. Bloody shocked.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
Watching Hancock's presser.
All but one of the questions are sensible, probing and germane to the current situation. Bloody shocked.
Double upvote for using germane during a pandemic!
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@MajorRage a GP surgery in our PCN group is leading ours for multiple sites and feedback so far has been that it's incredibly emotional for staff and patients, lovely to hear that the people who are most vulnerable are incredibly grateful to receive it, heart warming stuff, lots of happy tears apparently! Still lots of moaners complaining about people queuing etc but let's just get it done!!
Regardless of what this country has done right or wrong, over 2m jabs so far is amazing and I just hope it is recognised when we look back on this in years to come that we did THIS part right 👏🏻 #nhsclap 😉 -
@R-L
230k doses today alone apparently.
In contrast Germany have done 360k in total and France 80k in total
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@Victor-Meldrew I think today has been a huge day for community based vaccines, amazing. 🙌🏻
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Just waded through a couple of hundred posts to catch up.
There was discussion about the 'true" number of COVID deaths and the suggestion they have been over-reported. I did a quick Google as most reports I've read suggest under-reporting is more of an issue than over-reporting especially in the early days of the first surge.
Anyways here FWIW is the BBC
This graphic is particularly relevant
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - UK:
Just waded through a couple of hundred posts to catch up.
There was discussion about the 'true" number of COVID deaths and the suggestion they have been over-reported. I did a quick Google as most reports I've read suggest under-reporting is more of an issue than over-reporting especially in the early days of the first surge.
Anyways here FWIW is the BBC
This graphic is particularly relevant
Good work. The last is the one experts prefer. Covid has replaced flu as le coup de grace du jour.
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Also there has been much talk about how only the old and / or those with co-morbidities die of COVID but I have read several reports that there are long lasting health issues for a sizeable - whatever that means - number of people that recover; irrespective of age.
Has anyone seen something on this that actually has some intellectual rigour behind it rather than just anecdotal fluff?
For me if trues this changes the whole argument about so called unavoidable deaths.
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - UK:
I have read several reports that there are long lasting health issues for a sizeable - whatever that means - number of people that recover; irrespective of age.
Yes, seems to be evidence of that. Certainly true of SARS round one (2003), a bit early to tell I guess as yet for '19.
Heart disease:
These guys are pretty reputable I think:
So heart, lungs, etc. General organ damage all possible.
Cheery stuff.
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my Brother-in-law who had it, is early 50's and been 6 weeks or so since he recovered and he still having some breathing issues.
My mother-in-law had a very good friend of thiers who died over the weekend, been in ICU for several weeks, had been in remission from cancer and then got Covid, was in the high risk of mid 60's bracket.
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - UK:
Also there has been much talk about how only the old and / or those with co-morbidities die of COVID but I have read several reports that there are long lasting health issues for a sizeable - whatever that means - number of people that recover; irrespective of age.
By long lasting they mean at least a year? What other issues did these people have and how did they rule out pre-existing conditions that might not have come to light prior to covid related hospital admission?
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - UK:
Also there has been much talk about how only the old and / or those with co-morbidities die of COVID but I have read several reports that there are long lasting health issues for a sizeable - whatever that means - number of people that recover; irrespective of age.
Has anyone seen something on this that actually has some intellectual rigour behind it rather than just anecdotal fluff?
For me if trues this changes the whole argument about so called unavoidable deaths.
I can't find it tonight but I saw somewhere reputable that of those who get covid seriously (itself a small proportion, but age related), about 20% go on to get long covid. So not a material proportion of population.
SAGE does not see it a priority.
@Victor-Meldrew had it.
P.S. Post viral syndromes are quite well known.
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - UK:
@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - UK:
Also there has been much talk about how only the old and / or those with co-morbidities die of COVID but I have read several reports that there are long lasting health issues for a sizeable - whatever that means - number of people that recover; irrespective of age.
By long lasting they mean at least a year? What other issues did these people have and how did they rule out pre-existing conditions that might not have come to light prior to covid related hospital admission?
No one’s had it a year, but I think it’s defined as symptoms lasting more than 12 weeks.
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - UK:
@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - UK:
Also there has been much talk about how only the old and / or those with co-morbidities die of COVID but I have read several reports that there are long lasting health issues for a sizeable - whatever that means - number of people that recover; irrespective of age.
By long lasting they mean at least a year? What other issues did these people have and how did they rule out pre-existing conditions that might not have come to light prior to covid related hospital admission?
I was diagnosed with Post Viral Fatigue in May last year and it lasted into September. Any serious exercise immediately brought on muscle aches and dizziness. No previous conditions and I was doing loads of physical stuff previously.
Mrs M has def. had Covid (antibody tests) and the GP is 95% certain I had it as well. Very, very mild symptoms for me - hardly noticed it. Can't be 100% sure, but GP's pretty certain that's the virus which caused my problems
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@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - UK:
@MiketheSnow This article seems pretty informative: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55586994
When the airborne particles settle it'll be interesting to see the whether age or existing co-morbidity(ies) is a bigger factor in mortality.
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@pakman said in Coronavirus - UK:
@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - UK:
@MiketheSnow This article seems pretty informative: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55586994
When the airborne particles settle it'll be interesting to see the whether age or existing co-morbidity(ies) is a bigger factor in mortality.
Headline. Very negative.
In the article - Intensive care consultant Matt Morgan said new treatments meant only the sickest patients were reaching intensive care, where outcomes were poorer.
Colour me not at all surprised.
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@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - UK:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - UK:
@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - UK:
@MiketheSnow This article seems pretty informative: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55586994
When the airborne particles settle it'll be interesting to see the whether age or existing co-morbidity(ies) is a bigger factor in mortality.
Headline. Very negative.
In the article - Intensive care consultant Matt Morgan said new treatments meant only the sickest patients were reaching intensive care, where outcomes were poorer.
Colour me not at all surprised.
Dr Morgan said: "Sadly, disease is an illness of deprivation".
"And so that's why we feel it, particularly in Wales where the industrial scars of our past are still very much there - and our health is there."
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Meanwhile, media expressing outrage that care home management staff are getting the vaccine ahead of residents.
In the real world, and from current personal experience, it's care home management who have the most contact with multiple carers, residents and residence families and it makes perfect sense.
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