All Blacks Tests 2020
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As I watch 2 months of international cricket involving 4 teams on an island the same size as New Zealand, with an infinitely porous border, 12 times the population, and love every bit of watching international sport.
I don't give a fuck about the no crowd, I'm just grateful and impressed that the ECB and England got the job done!
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@Winger said in All Blacks Tests 2020:
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@Machpants said in All Blacks Tests 2020:
@Machpants said in All Blacks Tests 2020:
Commercial Underwriting is the winning phrase, sadly for NZ
Nope, is all in the fine print. Training from day three (ish) yes, but not as an entire squad...
Fkn stupidAt least this "Robinson also confirmed the staging of the Rugby Championship in Australia would not result in a notable revenue hit on New Zealand. “The difference between it being in New Zealand and Australia wasn’t significant, and it’s not a major for us,” he said. However, it was likely they would have to foot the quarantine bill for the team on its arrival back." so there's revenue sharing
Robinson Rampagers 21 — Cindy Crusaders 0.
Why FFS. The NZ Govt would have been better to have just said no. The children can't play in NZ
“In New Zealand the teams land, they come into isolation for four days, from days 5-7 they’re in a bubble of 15 which doesn’t allow teams to train in full squads, and from days 8-14, they were set to be in bubble of 25 which is restrictive also and makes it difficult for the way teams want to prepare.
My point being Jacinda’s excuse for the decision comprehensively debunked by St. Mark.
No quibble with decision itself.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks Tests 2020:
@Bovidae lots of stars need to align for TRC to be played yet...in a way, it woulda been nice if the Int season was canned and for all ABs were available for the whole NPC, in L1...reckon we'd have seen crowds we haven't seen for 20 years.
Instead, this way crowds are pretty much on par with recent years ...
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taniwharugbyreplied to booboo on 11 Sept 2020, 20:32 last edited by taniwharugby 11 Sept 2020, 20:39
@booboo I know you are just taking the piss, but they will be much more down, assume other Unions have done the same as NRU who have refunded all season tickets.
Given what we saw in SRA we were primed for good crowds in NPC
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks Tests 2020:
@booboo I know you are just taking the piss, but they will be much more down, assume other Unions have done the same as NRU who have refunded all season tickets.
Given what we saw in SRA we were primed for good crowds in NPC
Yeah I am. The crowd at NH stadium looked about normal though.
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Revenue Sharing confirmed: NZR would still receive revenue from ticket sales, Rugby Australia’s interim chief executive Rob Clarke confirmed last night.
“The way Sanzaar has approached this is very much a ‘all hands in the middle’ where all expenses will be pooled and all revenue will be pooled,” Clarke said.
“The profit share will be split among the Sanzaar partners equally. It’s a very fair approach. I think it incentivises everybody to make it more successful.”
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@Machpants Aside from the disappointment of not being able to actually attend, this isn't a terrible outcome for NZ. Any Covid related risk is born by NSW but NZRU still get a slice of the gate receipts.
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@Derpus said in All Blacks Tests 2020:
@Machpants Aside from the disappointment of not being able to actually attend, this isn't a terrible outcome for NZ. Any Covid related risk is born by NSW but NZRU still get a slice of the gate receipts.
Yep. No big deal, who knows what Covid levels we be at anyway.
Anyone know what the broadcasting share is? Have I just Boobooed?
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One person gets Covid in any of the teams and the competition is over. Given the incubation period can vary, their environments and the international travel for SA and Argentina teams the border control rules were reasonable. You can’t be moaning about border controls being the weakness and then open the door. Mark Robinson will be disappointed but he should pull his head in. NZRU has a privileged position and they should play the long game. As with their his ultimatum to ARU, this just speaks to their arrogance.
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@kev said in All Blacks Tests 2020:
One person gets Covid in any of the teams and the competition is over.
How is that possible if they are in a quarantine bubble?
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@antipodean said in All Blacks Tests 2020:
@kev said in All Blacks Tests 2020:
One person gets Covid in any of the teams and the competition is over.
How is that possible if they are in a quarantine bubble?
It'll be over for that team
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@antipodean if a team is in a bubble together then the whole team will be quarantined and unable to play. One team not being able to play means the competition in full form can’t continue.
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@kev said in All Blacks Tests 2020:
@antipodean if a team is in a bubble together then the whole team will be quarantined and unable to play. One team not being able to play means the competition in full form can’t continue.
Which isn't negated by the following, nor the Australian solution:
“In New Zealand the teams land, they come into isolation for four days, from days 5-7 they’re in a bubble of 15 which doesn’t allow teams to train in full squads, and from days 8-14, they were set to be in bubble of 25 which is restrictive also and makes it difficult for the way teams want to prepare.
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@Machpants what he should be concerned about is the safety of players. Someone here said that 7 of the Argentina squad have been infected. So the advice from the NZ medical professionals was 3 days individual quarantining, followed by smaller group bubbles ( we currently require 14 days Individually from everyone) was required. So is he asking us to adjust our rules for rugby players? ....Is he going to add to that special treatment for millionaires, foreign students....when families can’t see sick loved ones....Mark Robinson should suck it up like everyone else and say the NZRU does not expect special treatment. The rules were set by the same medical professionals (not the Government) whose advice has given us one the best Covid results in the world. Certainly not perfect but caution has paid huge dividends. I would have loved for the games to be in NZ but following advice from those whose job it is to provide that advice, not special interest groups with vested interests, is the minimum I expect from the Government.
As well as this the NZRU have made a mess of negotiations re Super Rugby - they are and should be under pressure.
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NZRU made a mess of the negotiations. Mark Robinson is a nice guy but looks out of his depth.
But they were dealt a bad hand of the NZ government who should be doing much, much more to support and faciliate professional sport, especially Rugby, in New Zealand. The cancellation of the Blues-Crusaders game (it should have happened behind closed doors) for a handful of cases was a terrible over-reaction when the risk to and from players was almost zero. No wonder sponsors and insurers were so nervous about the Rugby Championship in New Zealand. If New Zealand had a Prime Minister who genuinely loved Rugby and the All Blacks, the Rugby Championship would be taking place this year in NZ.
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Getting the excuses in early
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12364547
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@Machpants I thought the whinging would have stopped when Cheika left. Rennie is sounding more and more Aussie every day.
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Rennie was a whinger when coaching in NZ. Don't see why coaching Australia would change that.
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@akan004 said in All Blacks Tests 2020:
@Machpants I thought the whinging would have stopped when Cheika left. Rennie is sounding more and more Aussie every day.
Well he knows his career in NZ is dead.
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@Toddy said in All Blacks Tests 2020:
Rennie was a whinger when coaching in NZ. Don't see why coaching Australia would change that.
he's fitting right in
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@Machpants said in All Blacks Tests 2020:
@Bones They’re right, really. It will certainly be NZs to lose, even Ozzie should be more competitive. Arg will be a waste.
It’s only a bunch of friendlies, I doubt they’ll even turn up
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There is more chance of a 4-match Bledisloe Cup series than a full Rugby Championship taking place.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks Tests 2020:
There is more chance of a 4-match Bledisloe Cup series than a full Rugby Championship taking place.
Awesome, who doesn't want more of that?
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@Bovidae Not ideal obviously, but predictable. Can't rule out the ABs will be paddling the same boat too if reports are senior players are uninterested in being away from home that long.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks Tests 2020:
@Bovidae Not ideal obviously, but predictable. Can't rule out the ABs will be paddling the same boat too if reports are senior players are uninterested in being away from home that long.
Its starting to look like a baby blacks and baby boks situation
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@canefan said in All Blacks Tests 2020:
@antipodean said in All Blacks Tests 2020:
@Bovidae Not ideal obviously, but predictable. Can't rule out the ABs will be paddling the same boat too if reports are senior players are uninterested in being away from home that long.
Its starting to look like a baby blacks and baby boks situation
Imagine the damage done to the Wallabies psyche if they lost?
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@antipodean said in All Blacks Tests 2020:
@canefan said in All Blacks Tests 2020:
@antipodean said in All Blacks Tests 2020:
@Bovidae Not ideal obviously, but predictable. Can't rule out the ABs will be paddling the same boat too if reports are senior players are uninterested in being away from home that long.
Its starting to look like a baby blacks and baby boks situation
Imagine the damage done to the Wallabies psyche if they lost?
Totally a hollow win-lose situation if too many stay home
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I'm not that fussed by a weak TRC. It's just a shame to ruin a potential once in a lifetime proper NPC to accommodate it.
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@Rapido said in All Blacks Tests 2020:
I'm not that fussed by a weak TRC. It's just a shame to ruin a potential once in a lifetime proper NPC for it.
If first choice players start bailing, I wonder if it triggers a bunch of abstentions?
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Probably already mentioned but I am not going to break a fern tradition and start reading the whole thread, so open question to the thread....
Do we know if we have to play a set minimum amount of games before SANZAR nations lose money from existing TV deals? Do all nations need to be involved? It has been mentioned in this thread that potentially players who don't play could earn less? But what about the games themselves?
The way I see it unfolding now (without knowing the above) is it appears all unions appear to be scrambling to play for the income, any meaningful game would just be a bonus.
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@bayimports agree, it all looks too contrived.
I'm all for a full strength npc, promote the shit out of it, get crowds along and the NZRU will have to write off 2020 income due to government interference just like the rest of us. 🙂
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Not directly answering your question, but the second BC test in NZ is purely an income-earner as this was not part of the 3-test series originally scheduled. This is one of the reasons RA and Rennie threatened to boycott the first game.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks Tests 2020:
Not directly answering your question, but the second BC test in NZ is purely an income-earner as this was not part of the 3-test series originally scheduled. This is one of the reasons RA and Rennie threatened to boycott the first game.
Then essentially there must be a minimum game coverage somewhere, I do wonder that if SA and Argentina suddenly cant make it due to covid, then if the additional game that was previously a bonus game becomes a "must play" contract sticking point. Meaning that although I laughed at a 4 match NZ v AUS series earlier. Perhaps it is still a possibility. (Not saying the Bledisloe has to be available), but potentially that becomes part of the minimum must play games for anyone to get paid in the RC.
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The dates for the two Bledisloe Cup Tests in New Zealand have been confirmed by New Zealand Rugby (NZR), with the All Blacks to play the Wallabies at Wellington's Sky Stadium on Sunday 11 October and a week later at Eden Park in Auckland on Sunday 18 October.
3:30 pm kick off.
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“It was quite laughable really, it was the first I had heard of it,” Mo’unga said. “It’s a tricky one because as players we are made accountable for the things we say and do and it’s quite tricky when speculations come out like that and it can be harmful and sad for family members during these uncertain times.
“I’m sure players with newborn babies, soon-to-be-fathers will have conversations and make those decisions in their own time with [All Blacks coach] Ian Foster and the management.”
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