'Super Rugby' 2021
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@Snowy i actually think thats the issue, nz rugby might at least be able to claim trying to achieve a genuinely competitive comp as the goal...but i dont think thats the end goal for RA, they was to grown/spread the sport and they believe more teams will achieve that
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@Derpus said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
IMO the only way to bring them up to speed is with patient investment at the base over many years
so you mean the exact opposite of the ARU MO?
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@mariner4life Yeah, basically.
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@Derpus said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@mariner4life Yeah, basically.
great, so for all you having a go at snowy, you haven't got much either except a pipe dream about the Force working this time because reasons.
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@mariner4life man - i never said they'd be good or succeed or anything else. I just said they won't 'cut' a team, specifically the Rebels. They will likely also not accept any comp that doesn't involve the Force if Twiggy is interested.
Sure, i don't think that cutting a team would necessarily benefit the other sides. I didn't say it would mean the Rebels or Force would get any better.
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@Derpus said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Snowy Nah i guess you can just skip the match against the Force if it bothers you so much.
@Derpus Well, all of the Force's matches, and the Rebel's. Probably some of the others too as they won't be as good with the really good players scattered around a giant country.
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@Derpus said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Snowy Nah i guess you can just skip the match against the Force if it bothers you so much.
If only it were that simple. The reality is to make them remotely competitive means parasitically leaching from the good teams, lowering their overall competitiveness. That's the last thing anyone wants.
BTW history has shown @Snowy wouldn't be the only person not watching.
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Guess it's all fucked and we should watch some loige then
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@Derpus said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
Guess it's all fucked and we should watch some loige then
jesus could you have just a bit more of a whine.
It's hardly a bullying attitude that a lot of people would prefer a comp without an ordinary, not to standard team in a timezone another 2 hours past even the East coast of Australia, that is a 6 hour flight from NZ. Especially if that team was already cut because they offered fuck all, and was only "brought back" because you had no one else to play.
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@mariner4life said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Derpus said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
Guess it's all fucked and we should watch some loige then
jesus could you have just a bit more of a whine.
To be fair, the last 20 pages of this thread has mainly been whining on all sides.
Not that there's anything wrong with that.
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@barbarian said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@mariner4life said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Derpus said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
Guess it's all fucked and we should watch some loige then
jesus could you have just a bit more of a whine.
To be fair, the last 20 pages of this thread has mainly been whining on all sides.
Not that there's anything wrong with that.
of course, because both sides of the Ta$man want different things, and are at different points
and, worst of all, are too poor to do it alone.
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@mariner4life said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
and, worst of all, are too poor to do it alone.
Yep. So get it right this time, or we all get poorer.
I only got a glimpse of @Derpus avatar but think it was O'Neill? Before he wanted to be just a "D" again?
Watching 3 or 4 really good matches a week, full of talented players is enough. Like tests, I look forward to them. If rugby is to compete with all of the other sports it has to be,"quality".
I watch the grand slams in golf and tennis, not a lot else. The best players are there. That is why I watch. I want to see them, not the second raters.
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@mariner4life said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Derpus said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
Guess it's all fucked and we should watch some loige then
jesus could you have just a bit more of a whine.
It's hardly a bullying attitude that a lot of people would prefer a comp without an ordinary, not to standard team in a timezone another 2 hours past even the East coast of Australia, that is a 6 hour flight from NZ. Especially if that team was already cut because they offered fuck all, and was only "brought back" because you had no one else to play.
It would be more than fine if this was just the problem. It's not, though. The problem is the dilution of talent across the three "traditional" Australian teams. I mean, you could actually have a really decent comp with 7-8 really strong and even teams, 1-2 toilers and then 1-2 whipping boys. I don't think anyone would care if there was guaranteed one lop-sided game a week, if the other 4 were tough and competitive affairs - it might make a nice change and make the for / against a battle within a battle.
The issue is really having 5 "middling" teams who are neither completely useless nor capable of actually winning against the best teams. At best, only 50% of your matches are competitive and the competition is basically all posturing until you get to the finals.
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@Snowy said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@junior said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
The issue is really having 5 "middling" teams who are neither completely useless nor capable of actually winning against the best teams
Nicely put.
the Chiefs will get better damn you!
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@mariner4life I know they are your team, but, fucking Lol even more.
The Force are unlikely to get that much better (unless RA ditch the Rebels).
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I'm not sure '5 middling sides' is a fair reflection of the situation in Aus.
The Brumbies and the Reds looked like dangerous playoff teams this year if a full Super season was played - the baby Tahs have clearly improved and whilst part of that is a factor of playing other Aus teams I think there has also been genuine improvement in the Tahs too (for example they had a garbage defence coach to the start the season who they fired during COVID break and their defensive structure has improved out of sight) and the Rebels have been competitive all year.
An argument could be made that the depth of the Aussie sides is a problem but the same argument could be made for the NZ teams to some degree - there are really key players in the NZ teams where without them there were huge holes - Mo'unga (Crusaders), Aaron Smith (Highlanders), Jordie (Canes) Faiane (Blues) Boshier (Chiefs). *Faiane is not in the same class as the other players but he was clearly missed when he didn't start.
