2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA
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@kirwan all teams do it, a point admitted in the ruling.
There is a discussion on "the line", and it moving during the course of tour, which is one of the weaker parts of the decision.
There is a difference between whataboutism and asking for consistency. Whataboutism is about dismissing the argument because you the other person is a hypocrite whose opinion is invalid. Consistency is about defining what the rule is.
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There’s a big difference to trying to game the referee via the media, and blackmail. RE was found guilty of blackmail, yet get’s this pathetic punishment. It should be a life ban, or very long term. Fucking blackmail!
- threatened a match official that unless a requested meeting took place, he would publish footage containing clips criticising the match official’s performance and then making good on that threat; published or permitted to be published the Erasmus Video containing numerous comments that were either abusive, insulting and/or offensive to match officials;
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@derpus said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
Thought this was worth sharing:
It's basically workplace bullying but because it's a sport and WR are a pack of limp dick wet rags there is no recourse for Berry.
From this statement and Machpants post above, can't help but think this is not a heavy enough sanction.
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@sidbarret said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
@nzzp an open door for whataboutism that I am just going to walk past...
everyone does it, I just don't like it. I'd be very happy if the laws were clear enough that people didn't feel the need to try and influence the ref (I know that's a pipe dream).
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@derpus said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
@kirwan He didn't just threaten Berry - he threatened the credibility of the game as a whole. Should be a life ban.
Life ban is probably a bit extreme, but could get behind 3 years and a massive fine for SA Rugby so they keep their coaches in line.
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@derpus said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
Thought this was worth sharing:
It's basically workplace bullying but because it's a sport and WR are a pack of limp dick wet rags there is no recourse for Berry.
I'm surprised they made that public. I will point out his reputation as an international referee has been damaged by other elements than Rassie's idiotic whining...
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@antipodean I don't think the quality of refereeing is particularly great across the board. Berry isn't amazing but he's no worse than any of the others.
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Ok so here is my summary.
- Erasmus comes across as a complete piston wristed gibbon. He tried to gaslight the hearing into believing that he did not "publish" the the video. I won't go into the details but on the totality of the evidence that is clearly bullshit.
He also ends up playing the race card at mitigation stage which is just desperate.
- World rugby is a jokeshop organisation.
We all know teams and refs meet before games and that there are feedback from teams on the performance of referee's performance. What we didn't know was that there is no set protocol managing this process and just some vague conventions.
They leave the poor head referee to kinda wing it with how they interact with teams. In this instance Joel Jutge was way too passive in dealing with the situation as it was unfolding.
The CEO of WR sent a letter (after the video was public) basically saying that yeah teams pressure refs through the media but let's all just be good sports and not take it too far. Imagine being a ref in that structure.
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Erasmus had the world at his feet after the world cup. 57-0 to WC winners in 2 years wasn't it, under the first Bok black captain? Thats a status achieved by very few before, in any sport.
I don't understand why he did it. I'd ban him forever. Line in the sand.
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@majorrage said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
Erasmus had the world at his feet after the world cup. 57-0 to WC winners in 2 years wasn't it, under the first Bok black captain? Thats a status achieved by very few before, in any sport.
I don't understand why he did it. I'd ban him forever. Line in the sand.
Either it is a persecution complex, or his boundaries are drawn in chalk so they can be easily moved when it suits him.
I see this is being made into another instance of anti-SA bias. That WR purposefully left it to several days before playing England. That SA always get the short end of the stick. I know we have some v calm SA posters on here, but there is a growing minority of SA fans that believe the world is against them. Left unchecked, or in this instance inflamed by Erasmus to get an advantage in a single series, this is how we get to McHugh/van Zyl incidents.
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@stodders said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
@majorrage said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
Erasmus had the world at his feet after the world cup. 57-0 to WC winners in 2 years wasn't it, under the first Bok black captain? Thats a status achieved by very few before, in any sport.
I don't understand why he did it. I'd ban him forever. Line in the sand.
Either it is a persecution complex, or his boundaries are drawn in chalk so they can be easily moved when it suits him.
I see this is being made into another instance of anti-SA bias. That WR purposefully left it to several days before playing England. That SA always get the short end of the stick. I know we have some v calm SA posters on here, but there is a growing minority of SA fans that believe the world is against them. Left unchecked, or in this instance inflamed by Erasmus to get an advantage in a single series, this is how we get to McHugh/van Zyl incidents.
They should be ignored. And if Erasmus is one of them, then he should be ignored as well.
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@majorrage said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
@stodders said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
@majorrage said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
Erasmus had the world at his feet after the world cup. 57-0 to WC winners in 2 years wasn't it, under the first Bok black captain? Thats a status achieved by very few before, in any sport.
I don't understand why he did it. I'd ban him forever. Line in the sand.
Either it is a persecution complex, or his boundaries are drawn in chalk so they can be easily moved when it suits him.
I see this is being made into another instance of anti-SA bias. That WR purposefully left it to several days before playing England. That SA always get the short end of the stick. I know we have some v calm SA posters on here, but there is a growing minority of SA fans that believe the world is against them. Left unchecked, or in this instance inflamed by Erasmus to get an advantage in a single series, this is how we get to McHugh/van Zyl incidents.
They should be ignored. And if Erasmus is one of them, then he should be ignored as well.
Brenden Nel is one of the more balanced SA journos. This is how you can the flames of a persecution complex:
I know the NH media can be hilariously biased. But this isn't about media bias. The accusation is that WR and their officially sanctioned referees have a vendetta against SA.
Honest question to SA posters - is this victim hood linked in any way to the past when SA was isolated and sanctioned? The laager mindset has always been about getting tight and fighting for your life. An existential threat. Is this a continuation of that mindset? Or is it something else? Where does this feeling of persecution come from?
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@catogrande said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
@nta said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
What effect will it have?
I believe the practice of pre-game meetings between referees and teams was stopped because it turned into a shit fight of accusations.
Now this.
My first thought when the video was released, and not watching it but looking at the commentary around it:
"World Cup Champions or World Class Victims?"
World rugby really needs to address this and the larger problem of referee abuse and influencing. There needs to be meaningful sanction or we’ll be heading further down the soccer route.
Perhaps they can clean up the shit-can that the TMO has become at the same time.
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@rebound said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
@stodders "Balanced" is you call Boks are the greatest ever and any call going against them is bad refereeing balanced. Then yep very balanced. Thats the sum of his articles I come accross
One of the more balanced SA journos. When put against Mark Keohane, he's balanced 🤣
