England & Eddie
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@MiketheSnow they beat Japan and Wales who both wouldn't beat any NZ super franchises.
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@geebee said in England & Eddie:
@MiketheSnow they beat Japan and Wales who both wouldn't beat any NZ super franchises.
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God help Ireland, Scotland, Australia, France, Samoa and Fiji then.
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@hydro11 said in England & Eddie:
Is this a troll post? No English here to troll....
Last night showed how tough it is to win a World Cup. If you look at the three tournaments South Africa have won, they haven't been very good in any of them.
- 1995 they beat Samoa, France and New Zealand.
- 2007 it was Fiji, Argentina and France.
- 2019 it was Japan, Wales and England.
Relatively speaking those are very easy runs. In the two most recent cups we won we had off performances in the knock outs. 2011, it was the final. 2015, it was the semi. We could have lost either game.
Before this game people clearly discounted the effect that England's tougher run had had. It's exceptionally tough to win a World Cup having had three tough knock out games. In 2015, we beat Australia in the final who had a much easier draw. However, Australia were much worse than us. England and South Africa are generally closely matched so the tough run was always going to be a factor.
People also discounted how South Africa were a much different team to us. We didn't try to take England on up front; South Africa were always going to. If Sinckler doesn't get injured, England could have won. Maybe if the first couple of minutes of how semi had happened differently, we could have won as well.
Eddie Jones is a great coach who has achieved great things with England over the last four years. I would still have him as coach of the year.
Stephen Jones doesn't read my shit!?
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@Bones said in England & Eddie:
@sparky I assume the walrus would have to attend and watch rugby to see anyone else there.
Having watched a lot of games the Walrus writes his drivel about, I have doubts he even watches any himself
The clown boldly stated England were robbed when they lost to us in November, quoting rules which were 5 years out of date FFS.
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Eddie Jones? My two cents.
Been telling people for a while I've had a suspicion he inherited a promising team Lancaster had put together and built on it, but would crash at the final hurdle as he has done in the past. He was uber-successful for a couple of years but the wheels started coming off about 18 months ago and I always thought England would struggle in tournaments like the RWC as they have in the last 2 6N's.
They were good against a woeful Oz and beat us well in the SF, but they were really, really poor today. That performance was, at times, embarrassing for an English supporter. Probably the poorest I've seen from a side in a RWC Final - during the game and after the whistle.
Seems to me a lot of the players have a serious attitude problem - if the players are a reflection of the coach, then he needs to take some of the blame
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@Bones said in England & Eddie:
@hydro11 Sinckler would have got destroyed in the scrums.
But given them a heap more around the field. Cole is a serial offender - who got away with his offside at every ruck and maul last night - and not a ball runner like Sinckler.
The kid might be a tool, but can play.
@Bones said in England & Eddie:
So why would you need to rip off your medal on camera if it doesn't matter? Unless you're trying to prove some point. Seems like being a sore loser to me to have to show petulance.
Who says they even knew - or gave 2 knobs of goat shit - whether a camera was on them.
As I said on the match thread: they're young men, they're high achievers who wanted to win, and they're hurting.
And you're well within your rights to think they're arrogant douchecopters, but just remember: look too long into the abyss, and you'll find it starts looking back into you
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I've no idea what the terms of Eddie's contract are - how long he has left - but when he does leave it could be the perfect time to give Lancaster a ring.
As time goes on I read and hear more and more of what a solid foundation Lancaster laid down.
And if not him, someone like him.
England needs a hardnosed English coach.
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@NTA said in England & Eddie:
As I said on the match thread: they're young men, they're high achievers who wanted to win, and they're hurting.
They're professionals who are representing England Rugby FFS. Their behaviour left a sour taste and gave the impression of bad losers.
That they didn't realize this or didn't give s stuff says a lot for the team's attitude and that of the management team - a fish rots from the head down as the Chinese say.
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@MiketheSnow said in England & Eddie:
I've no idea what the terms of Eddie's contract are - how long he has left - but when he does leave it could be the perfect time to give Lancaster a ring.
As time goes on I read and hear more and more of what a solid foundation Lancaster laid down.
And if not him, someone like him.
England needs a hardnosed English coach.
The wireless suggested he has an out clause despite being contracted until 2021. Some are suggesting a return to Oz. This could fit, after all he did say he wanted to return to coaching a lower tier team after England
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@canefan said in England & Eddie:
@MiketheSnow said in England & Eddie:
I've no idea what the terms of Eddie's contract are - how long he has left - but when he does leave it could be the perfect time to give Lancaster a ring.
As time goes on I read and hear more and more of what a solid foundation Lancaster laid down.
And if not him, someone like him.
England needs a hardnosed English coach.
The wireless suggested he has an out clause despite being contracted until 2021. Some are suggesting a return to Oz. This could fit, after all he did say he wanted to return to coaching a lower tier team after England
The Wobblies? 😎
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@Victor-Meldrew said in England & Eddie:
@canefan said in England & Eddie:
@MiketheSnow said in England & Eddie:
I've no idea what the terms of Eddie's contract are - how long he has left - but when he does leave it could be the perfect time to give Lancaster a ring.
As time goes on I read and hear more and more of what a solid foundation Lancaster laid down.
And if not him, someone like him.
England needs a hardnosed English coach.
The wireless suggested he has an out clause despite being contracted until 2021. Some are suggesting a return to Oz. This could fit, after all he did say he wanted to return to coaching a lower tier team after England
The Wobblies? 😎
Yes, that's what I was implying
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@NTA said in England & Eddie:
@Bones said in England & Eddie:
@hydro11 Sinckler would have got destroyed in the scrums.
But given them a heap more around the field. Cole is a serial offender - who got away with his offside at every ruck and maul last night - and not a ball runner like Sinckler.
The kid might be a tool, but can play.
Right, so Cole played smart and got away with his trick of being offside. Sinckler doesn't have this trick. But Sinckler would have been better when he wasn't in the bin.
@NTA said in England & Eddie:
@Bones said in England & Eddie:
So why would you need to rip off your medal on camera if it doesn't matter? Unless you're trying to prove some point. Seems like being a sore loser to me to have to show petulance.
Who says they even knew - or gave 2 knobs of goat shit - whether a camera was on them.
As I said on the match thread: they're young men, they're high achievers who wanted to win, and they're hurting.
And you're well within your rights to think they're arrogant douchecopters, but just remember: look too long into the abyss, and you'll find it starts looking back into you
I'm unsure just why you are defending their attitude, very odd. But hey if you're happy with it then I'm sure it would be the kind of attitude you'd like to see really bed in down at club level too. I mean fuck everyone and everything else, the player should only care about himself. I'm pretty sure that's a drum you've been banging through all your years looking after clubs right?
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@Victor-Meldrew said in England & Eddie:
@NTA said in England & Eddie:
As I said on the match thread: they're young men, they're high achievers who wanted to win, and they're hurting.
They're professionals who are representing England Rugby FFS. Their behaviour left a sour taste and gave the impression of bad losers.
That they didn't realize this or didn't give s stuff says a lot for the team's attitude and that of the management team - a fish rots from the head down as the Chinese say.
All over England there were young kids watching that thinking it's OK to behave in that manner. I'm not going to be all orange slices and all that, but you can fight hard during the game and still be gracious in victory and defeat. I suspect England would not have displayed as much humility as SA if they had won
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@Bones said in England & Eddie:
I'm unsure just why you are defending their attitude, very odd. But hey if you're happy with it then I'm sure it would be the kind of attitude you'd like to see really bed in down at club level too. I mean fuck everyone and everything else, the player should only care about himself. I'm pretty sure that's a drum you've been banging through all your years looking after clubs right?
I think you've been drinking from the "Custodians Of The Game" chalice again.
No, I wouldn't take that shit at my club, but we're amateurs playing for the fun of it. Anyone showing petulance in victory or defeat is pulled aside on the occasions it happens. And it DOES happen, because humans. Can't stop outbursts or bad behaviour, but you can talk to them afterwards and go over why it isn't right.
The moralising on here gets a bit tiresome, TBH. The high horse memes I saw today about "Look at how happy we are with our bronze medals!" is mostly irrelevant IMHO - the ABs had just won, and sent out a bunch of guys on a high note. The Poms had just lost and weren't in the mood. Why is it a big deal to you?
Its the same as the comments "How DARE they smile and carry on and laugh with the opposition after that loss!" nonsense.
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@canefan said in England & Eddie:
@Victor-Meldrew said in England & Eddie:
@NTA said in England & Eddie:
As I said on the match thread: they're young men, they're high achievers who wanted to win, and they're hurting.
They're professionals who are representing England Rugby FFS. Their behaviour left a sour taste and gave the impression of bad losers.
That they didn't realize this or didn't give s stuff says a lot for the team's attitude and that of the management team - a fish rots from the head down as the Chinese say.
All over England there were young kids watching that thinking it's OK to behave in that manner.
Fuck, were there?
What percentage do you reckon? How many were probably visibly upset that their team lost, you think? Are you going to write to their parents and tell them that's not on because a bunch of middle aged Kiwi internet denizens say they should take it on the chin?
I suspect England would not have displayed as much humility as SA if they had won
And in that you're probably right.
