The Haka
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@Nepia and yet we hear so often how other teams lack of respect to protocol has upset someone...I mean ultimately if it is a prelude to war, who gives a rats how the other lot respond??
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@taniwharugby said in RWC: 3rd/4th game All Blacks vs Wales:
@Nepia and yet we hear so often how other teams lack of respect to protocol has upset someone...I mean ultimately if it is a prelude to war, who gives a rats how the other lot respond??
I think that's usually just from uninformed people or agitators or due to protocols established for rugby. I doubt 95% of Maori care how haka are responded to in rugby. Remembering also that rugby haka are a very small subset of haka.
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With regard to World Rugby's haka/cibi/siva tau/sipi tau protocols, they are in place because some teams took the response to extremes. Look up Richard Cockerill/Norm Hewitt, and that Irish guy (Willie Anderson?).
Fine them, they knew what they were doing.
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I think they should not be fined, and should be allowed to stand up to the haka if they want. If a fight breaks out, fine that behaviour.
Only been two incidents I can remember of someone being a dickhead about that.
I don't think they should be fined either, but if WR have protocols for haka (and Siva Tau, Cibi, Sipu Tau) and England know about them then I think it's fair enough they pay. I assume there are fines for breaking of protocols not relating to haka.
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@Nepia what should have happened, was if WR have these directives (which seem a bit OTT) then if England had gone to them and said 'we intend doing this' and WR go yep, sweet.
It did appear England wanted to circle us completely but officials stopped them??
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@taniwharugby said in The Haka:
@Nepia what should have happened, was if WR have these directives (which seem a bit OTT) then if England had gone to them and said 'we intend doing this' and WR go yep, sweet.
It did appear England wanted to circle us completely but officials stopped them??
looked like they wanted to get closer, not sure about a circle. That would have been interesting
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@taniwharugby said in The Haka:
@Nepia what should have happened, was if WR have these directives (which seem a bit OTT) then if England had gone to them and said 'we intend doing this' and WR go yep, sweet.
It did appear England wanted to circle us completely but officials stopped them??
I don't know? There are protocols, there are fines for breaking the protocols, you break the protocols you pay the fine - I don't know what else there is to it other than most of us think there shouldn't be the protocols in place. Also, it's not just the opposition, if the ABs have advanced above where they should then they too would cop a fine.
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With regard to World Rugby's haka/cibi/siva tau/sipi tau protocols, they are in place because some teams took the response to extremes. Look up Richard Cockerill/Norm Hewitt, and that Irish guy (Willie Anderson?).
I immediately thought of Willie Anderson in 1989. A pity Read didn't follow Buck's lead and advance as well. The haka response was symptomatic of the game itself.
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With regard to World Rugby's haka/cibi/siva tau/sipi tau protocols, they are in place because some teams took the response to extremes. Look up Richard Cockerill/Norm Hewitt, and that Irish guy (Willie Anderson?).
I immediately thought of Willie Anderson in 1989. A pity Read didn't follow Buck's lead and advance as well. The haka response was symptomatic of the game itself.
Yup, they should have advanced a bit - needed Mike Brewer on the edge to move forward too (he was way ahead of the team in 89 IIRC).
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I think they should not be fined, and should be allowed to stand up to the haka if they want. If a fight breaks out, fine that behaviour.
Only been two incidents I can remember of someone being a dickhead about that.
I think I remember reading that after the Richard Cockerill/ Norm Hewitt face off world rugby actually made the decision to split the teams.. hence not going over half way. Could be wrong, but I believe thats where it came from.
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Thought what England did was brilliant. Teams should be fined if they spit at the Haka or assault the players doing it, apart from that the opposition can respond to the challenge as they see fit.
I'd prefer going back to Ka Mate as the All Black haka for all tests. There should be a single Haka leader (from the starting XV) too.
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Yeah I was pissed off how we didn't advance also - all the players know there's a fine for going over the 10m mark, when the AB's saw England doing it they should have responded. France did the same a few years back and again we let them cop the fine on their own.
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Yeah I was pissed off how we didn't advance also - all the players know there's a fine for going over the 10m mark, when the AB's saw England doing it they should have responded. France did the same a few years back and again we let them cop the fine on their own.
It goes back to what we were discussing on here a little while ago that it’s become a performance. I don’t doubt the emotion and feeling put in by the players, but the formation, microphones etc removes some of the spontaneity that can occur like movement forward.
Whilst many remember the 2003 RWC match against Tonga for their sipi tau starting during the ABs haka, what I also loved was Kees Meuws responding in his own personal way.
