All Black Coach - Ian Foster
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@mariner4life said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@rotated said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
While the RWC is a noble goal, given all but one RWCs in the professional era have had a finalist coached by someone who took over mid-cycle it is difficult to see a correlation between forward planning and success.
I'm starting to think the 4-year cycle is a complete myth. I reckon it's no more than 18 months, and even then the most important part is the last 3.
Ireland are proof of that ,
had a brilliant 4 year cycle then fall in a hole at the end
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@Wurzel said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
So the good oil is that Fozzie has the job with Razor as assistant. It's been made clear to Razor that turning down the gig as Ian's assistant would damage future aspirations.
NZR know they can't sell Fozzie to the public without a popular figure like Robertson in his camp.
Seems to me an unbalanced not quite fit combination, Looks like they are hedging their bets and that doesn't normally work one stiffles the other becoming a half arsed situation..
its almost like Foster we know isn't the man but we like him so we pair him up with the better candidate. -
@Chris yeah I dont think it is ideal if NZR are trying to push them together, I thought the whole point of bringing your own team was so you are working with someone you know, trust, and obviously are on the same page. Not sure Fozzie & Robertson seem a natural fit, although I could be wrong too.
However if Fozzie & Robertson had come to an agreement themselves, without NZR interference, then that works.
Plus who else is added to the mix?
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@Wurzel said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
So the good oil is that Fozzie has the job with Razor as assistant. It's been made clear to Razor that turning down the gig as Ian's assistant would damage future
aspirations.Link to the good oil please.
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@Frank said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Wurzel said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
So the good oil is that Fozzie has the job with Razor as assistant. It's been made clear to Razor that turning down the gig as Ian's assistant would damage future
aspirations.Link to the good oil please.
@Wurzel is good oil.
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@Wurzel said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
So the good oil is that Fozzie has the job with Razor as assistant. It's been made clear to Razor that turning down the gig as Ian's assistant would damage future aspirations.
NZR know they can't sell Fozzie to the public without a popular figure like Robertson in his camp.
For how many years? If it's only two years, and then Robertson taking over, that might not be the worst idea.
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@Wurzel said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
So the good oil is that Fozzie has the job with Razor as assistant. It's been made clear to Razor that turning down the gig as Ian's assistant would damage future aspirations.
NZR know they can't sell Fozzie to the public without a popular figure like Robertson in his camp.
Yep, this has been NZR's preference throughout this process. Fozzie is their guy, Razor is someone they might give the big gig to further down the line but not yet.
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@sparky said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
Yep, this has been NZR's preference throughout this process.
disagree...maybe if Tew had still been at the helm, but I reckon Robinson will be keen to start afresh, more so after the RWC.
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@sparky said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Wurzel said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
So the good oil is that Fozzie has the job with Razor as assistant. It's been made clear to Razor that turning down the gig as Ian's assistant would damage future aspirations.
NZR know they can't sell Fozzie to the public without a popular figure like Robertson in his camp.
Yep, this has been NZR's preference throughout this process. Fozzie is their guy, Razor is someone they might give the big gig to further down the line but not yet.
Problem with that is if Foster is not the man and shits the bed,Razor may sink with him bang goes his shot at Head Coach.
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Two options:
- Hart-Wyllie
- Henry-Hansen-Smith
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@Wurzel said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
So the good oil is that Fozzie has the job with Razor as assistant. It's been made clear to Razor that turning down the gig as Ian's assistant would damage future aspirations.
NZR know they can't sell Fozzie to the public without a popular figure like Robertson in his camp.
How good is that oil, Wurzel?
Expensive synthetic stuff you'd put in a Porsche or the sort of stuff that goes through your chainsaw bar?
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@kiwiinmelb said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@mariner4life said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@rotated said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
While the RWC is a noble goal, given all but one RWCs in the professional era have had a finalist coached by someone who took over mid-cycle it is difficult to see a correlation between forward planning and success.
I'm starting to think the 4-year cycle is a complete myth. I reckon it's no more than 18 months, and even then the most important part is the last 3.
Ireland are proof of that ,
had a brilliant 4 year cycle then fall in a hole at the end
The 4-year cycle only seems to work out well (and by that I mean result in a WC final appearance or victory), if it follows this pattern:
Year 1: strong results, based on consistent game plans and selections, beating major rivals and winning a significant trophy (i.e. 6N / RC).
Years 2-3: fall in performance as alternative game plans / tactics / selections are trialled.
Year 4 (i.e. 12-month lead-in to RWC): upswing in results consistent with Year 1, building winning momentum (but maybe not winning significant trophy); game plan and selections from Year 1 form basis of upswing and plans for RWC, together with most successful aspects of those trialled in years 2 and 3.I think you can probably say that the 2007, 2011 and 2015 winners fit into this pattern, together with the 2019 beaten finalists (the 2019 winners being a real anomaly). Otherwise, I agree, perhaps its better to be a dark horse 2 years out from a RWC (certainly, the 2007, 2011 and 2015 finalists, and 2019 winners, were not on anyone's radars as being serious contenders 2 years out).
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@junior To be honest - I doubt that there's any pattern that really helps.
For the teams in contention, I think it comes down to needing to win three consecutive play-off games. And even if you're at 80 percent against Tier 1 nations - that's 0.8 x 0.8 x 0.8 = about 50% chance of success.
If you can get a soft quarterfinal then grab it with both hands, because then you're 0.8 x 0.8 = 0.64 chance of success.
So, I just wanna say "fuck you" to the clowns who said "Bring on Ireland"!
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@Chris-B said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@junior To be honest - I doubt that there's any pattern that really helps.
For the teams in contention, I think it comes down to needing to win three consecutive play-off games. And even if you're at 80 percent against Tier 1 nations - that's 0.8 x 0.8 x 0.8 = about 50% chance of success.
**If you can get a soft quarterfinal then grab it with both hands, because then you're 0.8 x 0.8 = 0.64 chance of success.
So, I just wanna say "fuck you" to the clowns who said "Bring on Ireland"! :)**
Could not agree more with this. I don't want to sound churlish, but even the most green-eyed Boks supporter must acknowledge that Japan upsetting Ireland was a massive result for their own success in the World Cup (much like Ireland upsetting Australia in 2011 had great importance in their failure at the 2011 World Cup).
This mean that we had to play a "final" at the QF stage, which left us with little left for the SF against England. England were always on course to play a "final" against us at the SF stage. Having avoided Ireland at the QF stage, SA were able to play their "final" in the actual final.
