Hansen
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@gt12 That was pathetic, especially the "if you want to go outside I'll give you a rugby education" part. Is he going to fight him for merely asking if "the all blacks turned up with the right mindset?"
The NZ press usually asks "Steve, were the ABs 10/10 or 11/10 tonight. Why are they so good?"
What I find funny about that is that he had just said 'put your big boy pants on'. So do that. Own up to the fact that your team just wasn't fucking good enough. It doesn't mean that we don't love them (especially Sam Cane! Gave away three, but I still love you) but it does mean that you're honest about a shit performance. It can't only be that England were simply always better, or we should fucking give up.
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And here I was thinking it was all Fox’s fault.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Hansen:
And here I was thinking it was all Fox’s fault.
Spent half the World Cup in New Zealand looking after his businesses. Time for him to go too.
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Well lets see I am picking a Foster/Brown scenario
A big tell will be how the NZRU structure the process. I've heard Brown rumoured for both a Foster and Robertson coaching tilt.
Hopefully there is clarity soon enough for Rennie to have a go too.
I don't think Rennie is in the mix the Rumour is he's virtually signed for the Wallabies.
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Nigel Yelden said this week that Joseph's negotiations for a Japanese contract extension have stalled, so he could be in the mix for the Australian coaching team. He also said that Joseph is a good negotiator, and he may just be playing for a better Japanese contract.
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Well lets see I am picking a Foster/Brown scenario
A big tell will be how the NZRU structure the process. I've heard Brown rumoured for both a Foster and Robertson coaching tilt.
Hopefully there is clarity soon enough for Rennie to have a go too.
I don't think Rennie is in the mix the Rumour is he's virtually signed for the Wallabies.
Hopefully he has an out clause. If he's in a TWM of him, Jospeh and Razor (with Brown as technical advisor) then we have an Islander fulla, a Maori fulla, and a Pakeha fulla ... a perfectly balanced coaching trio.
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Well lets see I am picking a Foster/Brown scenario
A big tell will be how the NZRU structure the process. I've heard Brown rumoured for both a Foster and Robertson coaching tilt.
Hopefully there is clarity soon enough for Rennie to have a go too.
I don't think Rennie is in the mix the Rumour is he's virtually signed for the Wallabies.
Hopefully he has an out clause. If he's in a TWM of him, Jospeh and Razor (with Brown as technical advisor) then we have an Islander fulla, a Maori fulla, and a Pakeha fulla ... a perfectly balanced coaching trio.
Big Jim, The Claw and Razor. Sounds more like a pirate ship than TWM.
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@Kruse Henry's team. Wayne Smith's brains.
Henry's team, 4 years later?
Sure, I think Henry was a legend, and Hansen inherited a pretty sweet deal. But he also kept it humming along fairly sweetly... enough to keep me happy for 7 years, 357 days at least.
If he banged your sister, and you walked in on the pearl necklace part of it.... I'll apologise on his behalf. Considering his size... yeah, that couldn't have been a pleasant sight. -
@Kruse Henry's team. Wayne Smith's brains.
Henry's team, 4 years later?
Sure, I think Henry was a legend, and Hansen inherited a pretty sweet deal. But he also kept it humming along fairly sweetly... enough to keep me happy for 7 years, 357 days at least.
If he banged your sister, and you walked in on the pearl necklace part of it.... I'll apologise on his behalf. Considering his size... yeah, that couldn't have been a pleasant sight.Nothing like a bit of inside knowledge eh?
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@reprobate said in Hansen:
Fuck off aucklanders. Rieko had been average and the wings were hardly the problems. Not picking Cane was shit. Beauden played shit. Subbing goodhue was shit. Plenty of dumb stuff, but not crusaders bias.
Yep, and the worst AB tonight was J Barrett, not Bridge or Reece.
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Never was a big fan of their music TBH.
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@reprobate said in Hansen:
Fuck off aucklanders. Rieko had been average and the wings were hardly the problems. Not picking Cane was shit. Beauden played shit. Subbing goodhue was shit. Plenty of dumb stuff, but not crusaders bias.
Yep, and the worst AB tonight was J Barrett, not Bridge or Reece.
Barrett's mistake was unforgivable. He had plenty of time, just needed to kick it or pass it, and we could exit. With some territory and a bit of possession at only 6 points back, we could have still stolen it. But.
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So, I stand by my assertion that Hansen could only do so much with the available cattle. Losing C Smith, Nonu, Carter, McCaw, Woodcock and Mealamu after 2015 (and Kaino after 2017) was always going to be an enormous challenge and replacing those guys plus trying to nurse through other aging stars resulted in holes and selection inconsistencies. So I'm happy to defend Hansen on the basis that the 200 or so professional players he had at his disposal were on balance of lesser quality than those he had leading into 2015, but what does upset me is the lack of thorough blooding of replacements and shifting tactics around personnel. By this I refer to his needless shoe-horning of the incompetent J Barrett into the top 23 ahead of Ben Smith, his management of Reiko Ioane and inability to have him firing at exactly the time we needed him, the inconsistency of selection in midfield when Blind Freddy could see from last year the Goodhue / ALB combination was the one to bed in, his management of Liam Squire who's absence hurt our loose forward combo and depth, ultimately resulting in the selection of S Barrett to start on the blindside (a fine lock / 6 cover but not a starting option at 6, just yet anyway), and lastly what really shits me is he now leaves and what the fuck has he done about succession at 8?
But all this managerial jiggery-pokery aside, I think any combination of any players available to Hansen would have been beaten up today. We're just not the same side of 2010 - 2015, which was probably the GOAT.
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His record proves otherwise. Cant understand the negativity.
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@BerniesCorner said in Hansen:
His record proves otherwise.
Sorry, if Foster replaced Hansen in 2015 and produced an identical record he would unanimously be regarded as the worst AB coach in the pro era (Irish losses, Lions Tour, semi final exit) regardless of winning percentage.
It is important to take his career in the whole though and by the same token if he pulled stumps in 2015 he goes down as the best in the pro era.
Somewhere in the middle. Hard to accept 2019 was a bridge too far for Ben Smith and Owen Franks but wasn't for Hansen, Foster and maybe even Read.
